Was that the Jay Leno car, or an actual GM/Chevrolet test mule?





Did you mean ATS-V there?

 

The 380 HP is for the 3.0L turbo V6 but what I read says the 3.6L will be the only one they turbocharge...scaling the 20% increase in displacement to the HP number gives 456 HP. The CTS-V is suppose to get the 5th gen small block V8, not the turbo V6. I would hate to think GM would offer less than the 556 HP from the LSA engine used in the current CTS-V but you never know. If the CTS-V only gets 380 HP, they might as well stay home. If they're going after BMW, they better bring the big guns to keep them on the run...the latest CTS-V has finally gotten BMW to get off its lazy azz and get rid of the archaic McPherson strut front suspension for a real suspension on their 7 series. I'm sure they have plans for the 3 series to get the same trip to the 21st century.

 

The 380 HP is for the 3.0L turbo V6. According to what I read, the 3.6L turbo V6 will be the only one produced and if you scale the 20% increase in displacement to the HP, it should have 456 HP. The CTS-V will get the 5th generation small block, hopefully will more HP than the 556 HP LSA. If the CTS-V does come to market with 380 HP, GM might as well stay home...I don't want to believe it either.

 

Yes the ATS-V. Clearly been at this too long, and now it's immortalized three times in a row. ATS-V ought to get the Corvette motor -- go with your strengths -- but Cadillac's got something to prove I suppose, nevermind that it's all just GM Powertrain... if they insist on a turbo V6 it needs to have more grunt than BMW or they shouldn't bother.

 

Yes, I too would love to see the ATS-V get a naturally aspirated Gen V V8 as well but it appears that possibly one of the twin turbo V6s (which will also be great I'm sure) will be serving duty there.

 

I wonder how close to "327 CI" the new C7 motor will be??? Interesting?????????

Tom

 

I don't think it will be. I think it might even be closer to 365ci then it will be to 327ci but that's just me.

 

Regardless of what the numbers are I truley believe that the base corvette will out perform the ZL1 camaro at least......maybe by only a slight margin but what would be the point of a corvette if it cant out perform a camaro? This is a dream possibly but GM does tend to use the top end model of previous generations as the bench mark for the next generation....I would love to see C6 ZR1 performance (or very close) in the C7 base model.

 

That ^ is very possible.




But unfortunately, that ^ is not.
I don't even think we will see true C6 Z06 overall performance in the base C7, though perhaps it might come close in some areas.
I agree that we have to have dreams and standards, but let's not shoot too high, please.

 

I hope to see a sleeker style, better interior with technology, better handling car that can hold it's own performance wise against the higher dollar sports cars. This is what the Corvette has done in the past...

 

I doubt you will see a sleeker style.

Look at the progression of the C6 . . . From the generally acclaimed sleekness (and timelessness, some say) of the 2005 to the scoops, badges, vents, splitter, hood window, bling and gills that happened along the way to the current variants.

Don't look for sleeker, but you can wish for it, anyway. I certainly do.

 

Here is my prediction here.

Base Engine - 5.5 Liter 450 HP - 30 MPG highway
Z06 Level More Track oriented version - 6.2 Liter 550 HP - 27 MPG Highway
ZR1 Supercar Model - Supercharged - 6.2 Liter 650 HP - 25 MPG Highway

All engines are direct injection, transmission will be a 7 speed manual, standard automatic (I imagine they want to start with the next version of hte 6L80) with an double clutch transmission as an option on the z06 and zr1 options only

A couple of other things that would be sweet if they could work in are

- the dual cams in one shaft design of the lastest viper
- DoD, since with direct injection I imagine thats even easier, since you have way better control of the combustion process.

If they produce an engine with direct injection, DoD and the dual cam idea that would easily blow away anything else in the market as far as technology and performance. Plus it would still be a simple pushrod v8.

If they did that, I would be hugely excited. I dont really care about teh rest of the car, I'm sure it will meet my standard, I care mostly about the engine. I feel of all the auto manufactorers GM does the best job with drivetrains.

 

Left Lane News has reported the 2016 Chevy Camaro will be equipped with the LS3. This information was confirmed by GM. 2016 is the change to the Alpha platform. I think the Gen 5 motor for the C7 may be limited to the lower end model, with the rest of the line up fielding Gen 4 motors. Each subsequent new model year will then have more Gen 5 offerings.

The 3.6 DI motor is an example. First offered in the CTS only, then the Camaro, now it is common in many cars. Look at the LSA, first offered in the CTS V, now the Camaro ZL1. Im betting the LSA will make it's way to the C7 as a Grand Sport or other mid level offering.

GM does most things incrementally. I dont think the C7 will be any different. Im guessing the LS7 becomes part of history, as it never made it's way into other GM models. GM can tweak the Gen 4s for more horsepower to close the gap with Ford. Thank god for the horsepower wars, the manufacturer's must participate. We simply cannot allow a solid axle Ford GT500 to have more horsepower than a ZR1. More importantly, the Camaro ZL1 will have to match Ford. If the ZL1 has to go to 650hp or better, then the new ZR1 must have 700hp, lol.

My last bit of trivia for my hypotheses is the new Edlebrock LS416 SC crate motor. Out of the box it has 720hp and costs less than an LS9. GM may go to 416ci and easily get the same or better results. Im holding out for a 700hp CTS V station wagon, every home will need one, lol.

 

You know, back a few years ago I would have agreed but the current crop of superchargers seems to have it all over the turbo. Eaton has done a terrific job on the LS9. Having driven the ZR1 for three solid days at Bob Bondurant School of High Performance I can say that no powerplant I have driven has so impressed me with its consistent and smooth power band. The car is a beast yet a beast that is so civilized unless you want to unlease its latent power. I believe GM has not even scratched the surface of what this type of powerplant can do now that the lobes have been improved and allowed to function in conjuction with computer control. Maybe they can do more than just tweak the efficientcy level of the engine and give us the holy grail of more power when needed and more mileage when wanted. The use of the Eaton supercharger in both the CTS-V and the Camaro bodes well for its future IMHO.

 

I love turbochargers but US automakers like superchargers. Try and find a turbo crate motor, very few and very expensive. Like it or not industry is going with SCs, we can all hope for a change but the chances are slim. Look at the Fiasco with the Cadillac SRX 2.8L turbo. It was a Saab/Opel engine but it was a disaster. That endeavor probably set turbos back ten years, lol.

 

While that is possible, I just can't see it happening that way.
A base C7 with a brand new, cutting edge, Direct Injected Gen V engine, yet the far more expensive ZR1 might still retain the older (but still very potent) Gen IV LS9?

Now, we have seen other manufacturers do that (Porsche, Mercedes etc.) even on far more costly models too, so what you're saying isn't entirely off the wall either.

 

I find it hard to believe that the 2016 Camaro will have an LS3 in it... unless the Gen V motor is significantly more expensive to produce even in volume, and I'd have to think improved fuel economy would be worth the cost anyway.

 

My hypothesis could be wrong, lol. It is possible the Gen 5 would make it's intro in the high end of the line up. I dont think that is the case because you normally have a base motor first, with performance tweaks and power adders in later model years. Left Lane News could be wrong about the 2016 Camaro.

Some other good rumors are about the 2016 Ford GT. There are mumblings and rumors with Alan Mulally stating off hand that the engineers wont let him behind the wheel of the car on wet pavement.

 

I'd be surprised if a normally aspirated Gen V small block produces over 90 HP/L. So, for a 5.5L engine, that's about 495HP. If that's true, I suspect the base car will never exceed 495HP.

In any event, 440HP-495HP, with an eight-speed automatic, in an aluminum frame seems pretty appealing. I bet that the car is a poster child for the expanded use of magnesium.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...vvZ93FBaXG2BPA

 

But what if it isn't normally aspirated?

I believe the C7 will be a poster child for a lot of aluminum/magnesium/carbon fiber in places we haven't seen them heretofore.

Interesting paper...