New digital dash, ugh!
10-19-2012, 11:35 PM
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10-20-2012, 12:00 AM
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Not sure I understand correctly. BUT, IF I were designing the tach, I would put both indicators on a single digital display. A big number in the middle with a 180 (or 225) degree arc "around" (and over) it showing a graphic progression of the RPMs as well. This arc would already be lit to show yellow and red line marks. Heck, it doesn't even have to be an arc--it can be a progression bar under the numeric display.
Being digital, I would also make it configurable: I would allow color choices on the guages, brightness selection for the arc and the number separately, as well as allowing the arc to appear alone, the RPM number to appear alone, both at the same time, selectable sizing for prominence, and for "purists", the arc alone with a digital sweeping needle.
As to the blur, I would suggest that in first gear, an analog guage is pretty much a blur when at WOT. In other words, you only see progression toward a red line--you certainly can't really ever tell what the actual RPMs are at any given split second.
Absolutely correct. That is all you need. You watch it approach a certain point and shift. It isn't about the number but about the number the needle is approaching, when the needle lines up with the number you shift. Digital tach is nothing but numbers changing so fast they look like a figure 8 with two lines down each side. There are some gauges like tachs that humans can't use very well if they are in digital format. Try counting your pulse using a digital watch Vs a watch with a sweep second hand. No way you can count off 6 seconds on the digital display while counting the number of pulses you feel on your wrist.
As I see it, if an analog tach is put in, then you have NO chance to change it or its location. On the other hand, I can mimic an analog look with digital AND if I want to change or customize it, I can.
An electronic display can simulate an analog tach and put it anywhere on the display. Any type of tach that doesn't represent the rpms in numbers isn't a digital tach. It can be a pointer in the typical tach, it can be a thermometer type of display.
That's the beauty of digital. Like being able to design a wrist watch so that it has an hour and minute hand for those who prefer that kind of display and a numeric readout for those who prefer it another way.
As I said in my post above your are confusing digital with electronic. Digital is the format meaning a measurement is represented by digits Vs an analog format that displays measurements in a continuous flow from one reference point to another. An electronic dash is a flat panel or similar display that can display gauges in digital or analog fashion. It all depends on the guy designing the layout.
The C6 has two analog tachs. One in the HUD and the other in the IP. The HUD tach can be configured into a couple of different analog formats. A bar thermometer and a circle. The bar goes around the periphery of the display and the circle is more or less in the middle. So the HUD tach is moveable to some degree.
Being digital, I would also make it configurable: I would allow color choices on the guages, brightness selection for the arc and the number separately, as well as allowing the arc to appear alone, the RPM number to appear alone, both at the same time, selectable sizing for prominence, and for "purists", the arc alone with a digital sweeping needle.
As to the blur, I would suggest that in first gear, an analog guage is pretty much a blur when at WOT. In other words, you only see progression toward a red line--you certainly can't really ever tell what the actual RPMs are at any given split second.
Absolutely correct. That is all you need. You watch it approach a certain point and shift. It isn't about the number but about the number the needle is approaching, when the needle lines up with the number you shift. Digital tach is nothing but numbers changing so fast they look like a figure 8 with two lines down each side. There are some gauges like tachs that humans can't use very well if they are in digital format. Try counting your pulse using a digital watch Vs a watch with a sweep second hand. No way you can count off 6 seconds on the digital display while counting the number of pulses you feel on your wrist.
As I see it, if an analog tach is put in, then you have NO chance to change it or its location. On the other hand, I can mimic an analog look with digital AND if I want to change or customize it, I can.
An electronic display can simulate an analog tach and put it anywhere on the display. Any type of tach that doesn't represent the rpms in numbers isn't a digital tach. It can be a pointer in the typical tach, it can be a thermometer type of display.
That's the beauty of digital. Like being able to design a wrist watch so that it has an hour and minute hand for those who prefer that kind of display and a numeric readout for those who prefer it another way.
As I said in my post above your are confusing digital with electronic. Digital is the format meaning a measurement is represented by digits Vs an analog format that displays measurements in a continuous flow from one reference point to another. An electronic dash is a flat panel or similar display that can display gauges in digital or analog fashion. It all depends on the guy designing the layout.
The C6 has two analog tachs. One in the HUD and the other in the IP. The HUD tach can be configured into a couple of different analog formats. A bar thermometer and a circle. The bar goes around the periphery of the display and the circle is more or less in the middle. So the HUD tach is moveable to some degree.
The main problem with the C4 early dash was the resolution of the analog tach that backed up the digital display. It was broken up in 200 or 500 rpm segments (depending on year), curved up and down and didn't really follow good human factors practices. With the large rpm segments you couldn't predict when it was going to get to the shift point you had chosen. Another weakness that has followed into the C5 and C6 is the inability to display all of the measurements you would like at the same time. If I remember correctly the C4 limited you to a choice of Coolant or Oil Temp on one display and Oil Pressure or Volts on the other display. With the C6 you can choose only 1 of the 4 on the DIC.
Bill
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10-21-2012, 01:07 AM
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Just a thought on it!
10-21-2012, 08:22 PM
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What would be even better is if GM had a USB port as part of a hi res OLED gauge display that allowed you to download "skins" from the GM website or include software that allowed you to design your own custom gauges on your home computer and then download them to your corvette. Make the HUD customizable as well. Then everybody could have whatever they wanted
While I like the configurable electronic instrumentation concept in the XTS, I don't like the needles. They are way too short with the center of the dial used up by other items, and the needles just get lost in the graphics. There is no way to spot those in spirited or track situations.
This could be remedied by using a circular bar graph (not linear please), and of a different color, say red.
Also the Cadillac system does not show oil pressure, volts, fuel level, and coolant temperature in analog gauge form at the same time. This is a step back from the analog guages we have now. We should always be moving forward.
I think the idea where you can design your own is the best of all. I think it would be great to see what people come up with, and it builds on the Corvette as a centerpiece of a community of enthusiasts. With this crowd, I don't doubt we would see some very innovative and detailed designs.
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10-21-2012, 08:57 PM
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10-21-2012, 09:12 PM
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Like the lambos gauges, but Don't like the aventadors panel in rhe middle of the interior.. 2 much plastic, and plus it looks like a big cheap toy from China...
And this is how the aventadors central panel should look like:
Awesome... Looks expensive and modern...wish the brand new c7 had something like this...
And this is how the aventadors central panel should look like:
Awesome... Looks expensive and modern...wish the brand new c7 had something like this...
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10-21-2012, 11:24 PM
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Digital speedometer in the centre with either a graphic or analogue tach going around it would be about right for my tastes. Put the other gauges to the left and right. I am hard-pressed to divine a more ergonomic solution than that, short of putting the information on the glass or on the steering wheel.
10-21-2012, 11:46 PM
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My daily driver is a '12 Cruze and it's partially digital dash is so useable. I have configured it to display what I usually want, yet can easily alter it to get the other information I secondarily want.
I have faith the the C7's digital dash will similarly be user configurable, having some 'ole school gauges (as outlined by keeks), and also picturing it with some Corvette User Experience (CUE) digitally changeable/selectable elements too.
"Best Of Both Worlds."
I have faith the the C7's digital dash will similarly be user configurable, having some 'ole school gauges (as outlined by keeks), and also picturing it with some Corvette User Experience (CUE) digitally changeable/selectable elements too.
"Best Of Both Worlds."
10-22-2012, 12:46 AM
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My daily driver is a '12 Cruze and it's partially digital dash is so useable. I have configured it to display what I usually want, yet can easily alter it to get the other information I secondarily want.
I have faith the the C7's digital dash will similarly be user configurable, having some 'ole school gauges (as outlined by keeks), and I am also picturing it with some Corvette User Experience (CUE) digitally changeable/selectable elements too.
"Best Of Both Worlds."
I have faith the the C7's digital dash will similarly be user configurable, having some 'ole school gauges (as outlined by keeks), and I am also picturing it with some Corvette User Experience (CUE) digitally changeable/selectable elements too.
"Best Of Both Worlds."
10-22-2012, 12:51 AM
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I really Like the new digital dash and things like that. What I am really tired of is so many I see trying to hold on to the past and all the retro crap and ideas. Left up to them, the C7 would have friggin pop up headlights or grab bars on the dash etc. Leave the past where is is and lets move on. Ready for changes, especially with the C7. I'll be disappointed if they don't.
Lets define 'crap': Substitution of plastic modern materials and shapes to fool us into not missing the higher quality materials of earlier cars - the 80s-90s C4 corvette interior was the absolute pinnacle of this religion
10-22-2012, 07:51 AM
#113
Like the lambos gauges, but Don't like the aventadors panel in rhe middle of the interior.. 2 much plastic, and plus it looks like a big cheap toy from China...
And this is how the aventadors central panel should look like:
Awesome... Looks expensive and modern...wish the brand new c7 had something like this...
And this is how the aventadors central panel should look like:
Awesome... Looks expensive and modern...wish the brand new c7 had something like this...
10-22-2012, 11:46 AM
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Like the lambos gauges, but Don't like the aventadors panel in rhe middle of the interior.. 2 much plastic, and plus it looks like a big cheap toy from China...
And this is how the aventadors central panel should look like:
Awesome... Looks expensive and modern...wish the brand new c7 had something like this...
And this is how the aventadors central panel should look like:
Awesome... Looks expensive and modern...wish the brand new c7 had something like this...
10-22-2012, 06:22 PM
#116
Burning Brakes
My only real concerns (as if anyone cares)...
- Avoiding the craptasitc interior and dash of the 5th gen Camaro. In an effort to go "retro" it looks like it was designed by Fisher-Price and the single reason I don't own a Camaro today...
- If digital is used (which I would actually prefer) it uses a display that is viewable in direct sun since I will purchase a convertible. Same holds true for the audio and HVAC controls (praying they avoid touch items for HVAC). Take a lesson from BMW and iDrive on what not to do in the center-stack...
- Build in upgradability. Technology moves so fast this will be tough but it can be done. Not an Apple fan-boy but they are fairly successful in building items that outlast competitors with obsolescence (but arguably, they have stumbled recently with this)...
The new Viper interior is pretty slick and should be taken very seriously. On the other end of the spectrum, sad that the Dart is schooling GM in this regard.
/r
Allen
- Avoiding the craptasitc interior and dash of the 5th gen Camaro. In an effort to go "retro" it looks like it was designed by Fisher-Price and the single reason I don't own a Camaro today...
- If digital is used (which I would actually prefer) it uses a display that is viewable in direct sun since I will purchase a convertible. Same holds true for the audio and HVAC controls (praying they avoid touch items for HVAC). Take a lesson from BMW and iDrive on what not to do in the center-stack...
- Build in upgradability. Technology moves so fast this will be tough but it can be done. Not an Apple fan-boy but they are fairly successful in building items that outlast competitors with obsolescence (but arguably, they have stumbled recently with this)...
The new Viper interior is pretty slick and should be taken very seriously. On the other end of the spectrum, sad that the Dart is schooling GM in this regard.
/r
Allen