He's just not himself today!

 

King of Muscle Cramps or would that be Muscle Gramps cars maybe.

There's alot more than weight that goes into vehicle performance, particularly around a road course.

If the 60 percent stiffer than ZO6 stat is true (and I don't see any reason it shouldn't be), there's going to be as much difference in car feel as a C4 to C5 when driving it hard. Over uneven road surfaces (be it bumpy crappy roads, rumble strips, or off camber corners), the car could run a softer shock package and it would be a hell of alot less scary to drive. (which is one of the reasons the C5 and C6 are so much better than a C4 and in turn why the C4 is light years beyond the C2/C3 chassis)

That's going to correlate to some serious *** kicking potential, especially base car or base vs GS. (if it's 60 percent stiffer than a ZO6 which is in turn substantially stronger than the Base Cars frames especially!)

 

Gthal, did you honestly expect the C7 to weigh this much? Now arent you honestly a little disappointed? So many on here talked the **** this thing is the cats *** and now that is really questionable.

C7 0-60 under 4 seconds
C6 GS 0-60 3.95 (proven #)

How is this a huge step up?

 

Curb weight of a C2 big block is 3360, not 3100 and change.

When was the last time you whopped *** on a 1967 L88 with your C4?

If the 1984 C4 is so great, why isn't it still in production. Why did GM blow a half billion dollars with the C5, C6 and C7, only to have them a worse car than the 1984 C4?

 

See above in red.

 

Thank you Joe...the difference in dry weight is only 19 lbs over the incredible More track focused highly regarded c6 z06. A vehicle all corvette owners admire.

I believe as many the areas of increased durability "for strong more reliable track days"...much of the added mass on the new c7 are smart choices....

Just so we see both sides of the discussion....







The AFM, and the corresponding heavier torque tube Is probably not an area that many of us would have chosen....but the governments fuel efficiency mandates require it....but other than that I'm impressed with the c7 and I imagine the improved fuel efficiency will be appreciated by owners at the same time... Especially with high test gas continuing to climb around 4 dollars a gallon........as present corvette owners i am sure we get a good laugh from time to time that we are getting 27 mpg on the highway and still have supercar levels of performance...the c7 evn more so..

Great job GM... As always

 

Do you really think a C2 L88 could take a C4 around Infineon, or Laguna Seca? If so I want what ever you're smoking buddy.

Why isn't the C2 still in production if it was still so amazing? After all it's super light, and super powerful. Surely that means it kicks all kinds of *** around a track!

Also, if you're griping about the C7's weight gain without looking at it's sixty percent increase in rigidity, you're being at best intellectually dishonest.

Oh and for the record the C6 base weighs in at 3288. At least according to C/D. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...-z06-road-test They mention it a nicely decent way down the line. So.... "obese" eh? So the C6 is Obese?

 

You need to put new batteries in your calculator.

 

According to GM's website, the base C6 coupe has a 3208 curb weight, not 3288, and my Z06 has a curb weight of 3170 pounds.

 

Hell, your full ostomy bag and walker probably make up that weight.

 

thanks Joe....I have old eyes sometimes....still only 119 pounds more is impressive considering the areas of increased track time durability and increased government regulations...

That's a fact that we have to deal with especially on vehicles that tend to have slightly longer life cycles

The very fact we are comparing the c7 stingray to the c6 z06 and we can see how close the two are is the very reason the c7 stingray is impressive

 

First off the L88 is on Gross Hp. Not Net.

Second of all the C2 flexes like a wet noodle, has **** poor suspension design, almost non existent brakes, and skinny tires. The C2 in modern terms is a complete Joke in anything that's not a straight line. Infact the C2's chassis is so god awful that it's effective horsepower is far lower than 400 because of how badly it puts the power down coming out of corners.

Tell me, do you think GM would have bothered making a C4 if it were inferior to the C3 and C2's chassis? Sure, in a straight that old Muscle Cramp can take the C4. But the second brakes get involved, let alone actual cornering the C2 will get beat like a red headed foster child.

Also mine's an 89. More grunt, and softer shocks, stiffer frame, redesigned brakes, wider rubber and ABS. It wouldn't even be fair the things, my C4 could do to a C2 even an L88 C2.

Also I'll stick to the car mags for curb weight specs. Not GM

The C5 and C6 are even better still.

The C7, has as much of a chassis rigidity upgrade as the 5 did to the 4. And we all know how good the C5's base chassis was. It went on to being used for 16 years after release into the wild. The C5 against a C2 L88 wouldn't even be a contest. And guess what? It's heavier too and has less power.

SO how exactly is the C7 a failure again?

 

I agree. GM did have to weigh the positives(improved fuel economy) against the negatives(increased weight necessary to implement the DI and AFM). The positives won out over the negatives. Such is life.

The C7 is impressive. But it sure would have been more impressive at 3000 pounds and 500 horsepower. LOL. Can't win them all.

I'm waiting to see what GM has up their sleeve for the hi-po version. You know it's going to kick the C6 Z06's butt. It will be a disaster if it doesn't.

 

I'm just glad they don't require a roll bar on my walker to drive at Talladega. With my ostomy bag, I don't have to worry about a youngster running over me. Who want's their new C7 covered in ****.

 

Joe..it's quite apparent your main interest is throwing **** on the c7 in almost each and every thread about the C7.

The question so many of us have is why would any long standing corvette enthusiast continually do that?

Your c6 Z06 is still clearly a wonderful vehicle yet at every turn we still manage to hear a message from you how the c6 Z06 is faster....

Let me say for the majority of corvette enthusiasts that clearly the c6 Z06 you happen to own will still be the faster car. A car that we can all admire.

I hope our acknowledgment of that fact puts you at ease.

This should help you.

Enjoy and have a good day.

No throwing bags of **** necessary.

Sorry for your pain

You cranky old bast @rd..

 

Now that the C7 pricing has been released, I think there is no question that the C7 makes every previous Corvette obsolete, including my absolutely wonderful C5. So what? Doesn't bother most of us in the least.

Any Corvette owner who can't accept that simple fact or is angry that the statement was even made only demonstrates that it is he or she that is also quite obsolete in their own thought processes.

The C6 Angry Birds can bang their heads against the wall all they want, but they are only proving the old adage that sometimes the truth really does hurt.

I would say it is time to end this thread but I fear that it provides a crutch that some C6 owners still desperately need to cling to. So, for their sakes, please let it continue to enable the illogical yet obviously much needed venting.

 

A while back Vette magazine printed a drag race between an L88 and a 91' ZR-1 and the L88 actually held the ZR-1 off just long enough to hit the 1/4. I believe the trap ended up being over 112 mph for the L88. That's a whole lot faster than any cross fire Vette. Against an L83 C4 or even a L98..... I'd actually put money on the C2/C3 L88. That's coming from someone who's favorite Corvette happens to be the C4 generation.


In regards to earlier discussion of a Cross Fire blowing an L88 into the weeds.....

 

It isn't

 

Good thing I at no point talked about a drag race.

Literacy is important.

 

absolutely. "There will always be a faster car".

I just bought a C6Z, because I have been wanting one for a long time. I love the LS7.

But I'm not under any illusions. The C7 will be amazing. The base may even keep up with a Z06 at a track. Maybe not. The next Z06/ZR1 will blow my c6z away.

Does that make it any less special to me? Nope. And whether or not other cars are faster, it's extremely fast.