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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pTr73
I am hoping to see the C7 be close to if not better than the current Z06. The 7:30's would be nice!
The C7 will not be better than the Z06. As much as some of us would like that it is not going to happen. It will be closer to the GS.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 07:51 PM
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I love how people on here are predicting how the C7 will do on the track when they have not even released final HP/TQ numbers.
Oh come on. It's still possible to reason with the partial bits that GM has given us. The intelligence community does that all the time. The numbers will only get better. So what's your lower bound estimate on the Ring performance? I'm sure you can come up with something reasonable.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 07:56 PM
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"under 8 minutes".....
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 07:57 PM
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Guibo, I've talked to the rep in the Atlanta office. They told me they have supplied all the tracks in Europe since they are based in Netherlands. They have supplied all the F1 tracks in Europe. All your videos don't prove a thing. Go on Bridge to Gantry and study up. You'll eventually get it. Good Luck.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lavender
"under 8 minutes".....
That is pretty much a given... or else
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 08:14 PM
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While ring times are nice bragging rights, how many people actually push their cars even close to this on the street, or even bring it to a track?
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Lavender
"under 8 minutes".....
Good thinking. I meant the HP/TQ numbers will only get better. But good thinking. So you're on record for under 8 minutes... lol
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Frizzle86
While ring times are nice bragging rights, how many people actually push their cars even close to this on the street, or even bring it to a track?
I don't know what football team you're rooting for. But how often do you have a defensive back actually crushing your bones?
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitrous Oxide
The torque curve and handling are much improved. And Michelin seems to claim that they have a couple of tricks we don't know about. That's why 10 seconds is probably not so unrealistic.
this right here is reason for hope. while i'm not a brand nut swinger if a tire says michelin or yokohama on the side of it's there's a good chance that it's going to be faster than a goodyear

each tire is obviously different and the good brands make duds and bad brands make great tires. until a few years ago no one took hankook seriously. now the RS3 is one of the fastest street tires produced.

yokohama has always made very fast tires....then there was the parada which felt like driving on roller skates.

even if the c7 is no better than a z51 c6, if it uses good tires that ring time could easily be in the 740s

as a couple other members pointed out that track is full of high speed corners and areas that require traction. i know of a good driver that put a stock wrx sti around the ring at 7:55. i'm sure it also had a stickier tire than the base c6 that did the 7:59
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Does it not seem curious that some desire to see the C7 fail in whatever manner possible. Does anyone really believe this has anything to do with so called "Camaro like taillights"? What is really going on here? Just wondering, merely wondering.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by skank
Guibo, I've talked to the rep in the Atlanta office. They told me they have supplied all the tracks in Europe since they are based in Netherlands. They have supplied all the F1 tracks in Europe. All your videos don't prove a thing. Go on Bridge to Gantry and study up. You'll eventually get it. Good Luck.
Yet they did not tell you that they supplied permanent timing to the Nordschleife.
Nordschleife != F1 track. The F1 race is held on a different portion of the circuit entirely. My videos prove that GM and Nissan didn't even use the same starting point. Ie, they're not using any standardized timing system that you claim is built into the Nordschleife.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Frizzle86
While ring times are nice bragging rights, how many people actually push their cars even close to this on the street, or even bring it to a track?
It is probably a small percentage, but more importantly, so much is dependent on the driver. This is an especially technical track, so I don't put a huge amounts of weight on these times, because the driver can make all the difference in the world. I've seen Camaros beating Corvette track records, because the Camaro had a better driver.

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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by b4i4getit
The C7 will not be better than the Z06. As much as some of us would like that it is not going to happen. It will be closer to the GS.
K, never mind, I am not going to say it would have to lag behind GS, I do not want to be perceived as a hater.

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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 10:19 PM
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So from reading these posts...the Z06 did the ring faster than ZR1?
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronstar
So from reading these posts...the Z06 did the ring faster than ZR1?
No, the fastest Z06 time is still slower slightly than the fastest ZR1 time, not sure what gave you this idea.
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Old Mar 24, 2013 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronstar
So from reading these posts...the Z06 did the ring faster than ZR1?
The Z06 was not the typical Z06. It was a Z07 with whatever track preparation it had. The ZR1 is back on top.

[Edit: The ZR1 was already on top.]

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Originally Posted by Guibo
Yet they did not tell you that they supplied permanent timing to the Nordschleife.
Nordschleife != F1 track. The F1 race is held on a different portion of the circuit entirely. My videos prove that GM and Nissan didn't even use the same starting point. Ie, they're not using any standardized timing system that you claim is built into the Nordschleife.
All your videos are proving is that Nissan is using some other timing system other than Mylaps( The world standard in timing systems) Chevrolet is using the system that is installed at the Nordshliefe which is Mylaps. A transponder is used with Mylaps that gives the most accurate segment times since it uses ground loops under the track surface. Nissan appears to be using some GPS based timing system which is inferior to the world standard Mylaps. Sorry that you can't grasp that !!!!
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Old Mar 25, 2013 | 03:22 AM
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All your videos are proving is that Nissan is using some other timing system other than Mylaps( The world standard in timing systems) Chevrolet is using the system that is installed at the Nordshliefe which is Mylaps. A transponder is used with Mylaps that gives the most accurate segment times since it uses ground loops under the track surface. Nissan appears to be using some GPS based timing system which is inferior to the world standard Mylaps. Sorry that you can't grasp that !!!!
Not as sorry as you should be for failing yet again to post verifiable proof that MyLaps is used on the Nordschleife. You have no proof that GM is using such a system. As evidence by the CGT video up there, Evo Magazine didn't use such a system either when they covered all of the exotics testing in that session. Which proves my point: Despite your claims that all of the manufacturers use this system, you just admitted right there that Nissan doesn't use it. If it's already installed, why don't they use it??
Oh dear, looks like Pagani doesn't use it either:


How do you explain more than 4 seconds already elapsed on the Zonda R run, at the same point where the ZR1 lap time is just beginning, if all of the manufacturers use the system installed on the Nordschleife?
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Originally Posted by Guibo
Not as sorry as you should be for failing yet again to post verifiable proof that MyLaps is used on the Nordschleife. You have no proof that GM is using such a system. As evidence by the CGT video up there, Evo Magazine didn't use such a system either when they covered all of the exotics testing in that session. Which proves my point: Despite your claims that all of the manufacturers use this system, you just admitted right there that Nissan doesn't use it. If it's already installed, why don't they use it??
Oh dear, looks like Pagani doesn't use it either:


How do you explain more than 4 seconds already elapsed on the Zonda R run, at the same point where the ZR1 lap time is just beginning, if all of the manufacturers use the system installed on the Nordschleife?
The track doesn't require anybody to use their timing system. They can use their own if they choose to. Once again you show independent videos of casual individuals using GPS based timers that only show overall time. If you had watched the video I provided to you months ago of Jim Mero and Jeff Mosher explaining the segmented timing procedures of the Ring tests, you would understand. Go back and watch all of the video, listen carefully, and you will understand the process. Try harder this time and Good luck.
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I was at the reveal back in January with the NCM. I talked with Jim Mero and he said the car was driving excellent on the track. He confirmed Tadge's statements that the C7 Z51 was faster than a C6 Grand Sport. Although he never mentioned anything about how fast it was compared to the Z06.

I asked him if they were taking the car to the Nurburgring. He said they always take a new car there to make sure it drives good on the Autobahn and Nurburgring. He wouldn't say when they were going though.

I will say he was pretty excited about taking the car to Germany. I tried to press him to predict a lap time, he refused to speculate, but said it looks good on paper. After that conversation, I assume Jim will be doing the driving and I'm totally good with that. After reading the interview with Tadge and Jim in Vette Mag, I believe he is the best man for the Job. It's going to be hard waiting for the lap time.
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