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04-11-2013, 02:02 AM
#61
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I understand purchasing exact msrp and not budging but what leads someone to think they will pick up a 2014 C7 in the year 2014 for below msrp? This is a serious question as I have seen these posts before back in 2004 for the C6 and 2005 for C6 Z06 before it hit the floors.
I'm missing it but all I can picture is the general manager and the salesmen struggling to keep a straight face and then snorting and laughing inside as the person gets in their car to leave.
I'm missing it but all I can picture is the general manager and the salesmen struggling to keep a straight face and then snorting and laughing inside as the person gets in their car to leave.
04-11-2013, 02:14 AM
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Even if the dealer does decide to sell the car for below MSRP, he is still making money on the car... I saw a post earlier where the buyer said he bought his Vette new for $80,000 and the MSRP sticker was over $98,000... That's a discount of $18,000 and im sure the dealer still made money. So it looks like there could be a good bit of room to work with the numbers.
04-11-2013, 08:08 AM
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As a lot of the replies have already stated: there will always be enough folks that will buy locally. Corvettes are rarely anything more than a niche market for any given dealer. And in reality, sales are a reasonably small amount of their overall money intake.
It's all in the service, man.
I've never purchased any of my Corvettes in-state or at a near by dealer. Fortunately, Criswell is only 30 minutes from me on a bad day, and I've purchased two from them over the years (I'm in NoVA, they're in MD).
I ordered my '10 ZR1 from a forum vendor in Jan 2010, when every other dealer was still marking them up massively. This dealer sold it to me at a nickel over invoice, and added in the NCM delivery. He understood that moving more cars would get him more allotments, so that he could: move more cars. Given that, he was selling ZR1s at significant discounts WAY before anyone else was.
All of my Corvettes have been serviced locally though. While Criswell has a great sales org, their service department is manned by a bunch of monkeys. I wouldn't have my Vette serviced there. Pohanka (5 minutes from me), on the other hand, could use some help in the sales department, but their service organization is top notch. In fact, when I rolled into their garage with my new ZR1 3 years ago for a state safety inspection, they did it for free. Even though I hadn't purchased the car there. A nice touch.
All of this long-winded post is meant to say is: buy where ever. There are more local buyers than there are "smart" Internet buyers. Local dealers will always move enough cars to keep themselves going. It's the local service departments that you really want to hunt down, lock on to, and continue to support as best you can!
jas
It's all in the service, man.
I've never purchased any of my Corvettes in-state or at a near by dealer. Fortunately, Criswell is only 30 minutes from me on a bad day, and I've purchased two from them over the years (I'm in NoVA, they're in MD).
I ordered my '10 ZR1 from a forum vendor in Jan 2010, when every other dealer was still marking them up massively. This dealer sold it to me at a nickel over invoice, and added in the NCM delivery. He understood that moving more cars would get him more allotments, so that he could: move more cars. Given that, he was selling ZR1s at significant discounts WAY before anyone else was.
All of my Corvettes have been serviced locally though. While Criswell has a great sales org, their service department is manned by a bunch of monkeys. I wouldn't have my Vette serviced there. Pohanka (5 minutes from me), on the other hand, could use some help in the sales department, but their service organization is top notch. In fact, when I rolled into their garage with my new ZR1 3 years ago for a state safety inspection, they did it for free. Even though I hadn't purchased the car there. A nice touch.
All of this long-winded post is meant to say is: buy where ever. There are more local buyers than there are "smart" Internet buyers. Local dealers will always move enough cars to keep themselves going. It's the local service departments that you really want to hunt down, lock on to, and continue to support as best you can!
jas
04-11-2013, 10:44 AM
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04-11-2013, 10:52 AM
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04-11-2013, 11:03 AM
#66
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I was thinking more along the lines of walking into a dealer to ask for a 2014 C7 below msrp. The initial market for these cars will be ridiculous. But kudos to someone who can pull that off. I know the dealers here would probably **** themselves from laughter at someone making that demand with a straight face.
If the forum dealer is offering a grand off msrp are they legally binded to stay true to that commitment this early on?
If the forum dealer is offering a grand off msrp are they legally binded to stay true to that commitment this early on?
Wes(Reliable Chevrolet) says he will give you $1000 off MSRP and he will do just that. All you have to do is give him a call, and ask all the questions you have.
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04-11-2013, 01:59 PM
#67
Achmed -
Let me see if I can be of some assistance here, if the dealer you spoke with did not receive allocation by completing the set forth requirements by GM, they will not be getting any C7's for the first 6-9 months. By that calculation you can figure that 6-9 months after a third quarter release this year would put us right in the thick of 2015 models coming out, so this very well may be the case, unfortunately GM has been somewhat slow to release concrete dates for a number of pending situations but we have a decent idea of what's going. Unfortunately if you're a resident of Canada I can't help you out due to agreements we have with GM and the shipment of cars up north but there are two Callaway dealers in Canada that move some inventory so if you need help, PM me and I can try and steer you in the right direction. If your not a resident of Canada we actually still have coupe and convertible allocation available at MSRP with a refundable deposit.
Have a great Day-
Brent Baker
Corvette Manager & Callaway Specialist
847-537-7000 ext. 389
224-875-2277
Bill Stasek Chevrolet
700 W. Dundee
Wheeling, IL 60090
Let me see if I can be of some assistance here, if the dealer you spoke with did not receive allocation by completing the set forth requirements by GM, they will not be getting any C7's for the first 6-9 months. By that calculation you can figure that 6-9 months after a third quarter release this year would put us right in the thick of 2015 models coming out, so this very well may be the case, unfortunately GM has been somewhat slow to release concrete dates for a number of pending situations but we have a decent idea of what's going. Unfortunately if you're a resident of Canada I can't help you out due to agreements we have with GM and the shipment of cars up north but there are two Callaway dealers in Canada that move some inventory so if you need help, PM me and I can try and steer you in the right direction. If your not a resident of Canada we actually still have coupe and convertible allocation available at MSRP with a refundable deposit.
Have a great Day-
Brent Baker
Corvette Manager & Callaway Specialist
847-537-7000 ext. 389
224-875-2277
Bill Stasek Chevrolet
700 W. Dundee
Wheeling, IL 60090
I will PM you for your Canadian contacts.
04-12-2013, 05:23 AM
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04-12-2013, 08:41 AM
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I went to the dealer last evening. The general sales manager greeted me with “hay, howya doin’ buddy”. He knew why I was there and told me to follow him “round to da winda”.
He passed my paperwork to a cashier and didn’t say another word.
My $1000 hard earned dollars is back in my now forewarned pocket and just might say there.
He passed my paperwork to a cashier and didn’t say another word.
My $1000 hard earned dollars is back in my now forewarned pocket and just might say there.
04-12-2013, 02:41 PM
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Le Mans Master
I dont understand why any long-standing member of Corvette Forum would not buy from the large forum vendors who advertise on this site. The sales managers at these dealerships seem to be the ultimate Corvette sales professionals. They are people you can trust and 1000's of members can vouch for them. You are pretty much guaranteed to get the following:
1) Email negotiation
2) Honest trade-in offers
3) Lowest final price
4) All available incentives
5) Honest & correct information on upcoming models & features
6) Quick and accurate answers
Buying from the dealer on the corner is almost guaranteed to have you paying more or ending up disappointed. I know alot of people like to deal locally and others are concerned about establishing a relationship with the service depts and techs at a local dealership. But in this day & age of internet communication.. and the amount of information we are able to confirm on websites like this one. It just seems crazy to put all your eggs into the basket down the street.
If if a large volume forum vendor dealer isnt close to you. They have no problem arranging shipping.. Or you get the opportunity to take a wonderful road trip with your brand new Corvette. What better way to get the break-in miles over with than seeing some parts of this beautiful country!
1) Email negotiation
2) Honest trade-in offers
3) Lowest final price
4) All available incentives
5) Honest & correct information on upcoming models & features
6) Quick and accurate answers
Buying from the dealer on the corner is almost guaranteed to have you paying more or ending up disappointed. I know alot of people like to deal locally and others are concerned about establishing a relationship with the service depts and techs at a local dealership. But in this day & age of internet communication.. and the amount of information we are able to confirm on websites like this one. It just seems crazy to put all your eggs into the basket down the street.
If if a large volume forum vendor dealer isnt close to you. They have no problem arranging shipping.. Or you get the opportunity to take a wonderful road trip with your brand new Corvette. What better way to get the break-in miles over with than seeing some parts of this beautiful country!
04-12-2013, 03:29 PM
#72
Melting Slicks
I dont understand why any long-standing member of Corvette Forum would not buy from the large forum vendors who advertise on this site. The sales managers at these dealerships seem to be the ultimate Corvette sales professionals. They are people you can trust and 1000's of members can vouch for them. You are pretty much guaranteed to get the following:
1) Email negotiation
2) Honest trade-in offers
3) Lowest final price
4) All available incentives
5) Honest & correct information on upcoming models & features
6) Quick and accurate answers
Buying from the dealer on the corner is almost guaranteed to have you paying more or ending up disappointed. I know alot of people like to deal locally and others are concerned about establishing a relationship with the service depts and techs at a local dealership. But in this day & age of internet communication.. and the amount of information we are able to confirm on websites like this one. It just seems crazy to put all your eggs into the basket down the street.
If if a large volume forum vendor dealer isnt close to you. They have no problem arranging shipping.. Or you get the opportunity to take a wonderful road trip with your brand new Corvette. What better way to get the break-in miles over with than seeing some parts of this beautiful country!
1) Email negotiation
2) Honest trade-in offers
3) Lowest final price
4) All available incentives
5) Honest & correct information on upcoming models & features
6) Quick and accurate answers
Buying from the dealer on the corner is almost guaranteed to have you paying more or ending up disappointed. I know alot of people like to deal locally and others are concerned about establishing a relationship with the service depts and techs at a local dealership. But in this day & age of internet communication.. and the amount of information we are able to confirm on websites like this one. It just seems crazy to put all your eggs into the basket down the street.
If if a large volume forum vendor dealer isnt close to you. They have no problem arranging shipping.. Or you get the opportunity to take a wonderful road trip with your brand new Corvette. What better way to get the break-in miles over with than seeing some parts of this beautiful country!
04-12-2013, 08:35 PM
#73
Melting Slicks
I am very satisfied with this dealership’s service department but this little stunt cost them any future car sales from me or anyone within earshot.
They lied to me/took my deposit, plain and simple.
My fault when it comes down to it. I could have been #26 on a list from a dealer with REAL allotment. Instead I let these “Soprano’s” wannabes talk me into being #1 on their non-existent list (fool me once)…
They lied to me/took my deposit, plain and simple.
My fault when it comes down to it. I could have been #26 on a list from a dealer with REAL allotment. Instead I let these “Soprano’s” wannabes talk me into being #1 on their non-existent list (fool me once)…
that would be the end of my relationship with them...
Local dealer wanted to charge me $150k
for a ZR1 in 2010...checked the CF dealers who offered near invoice for a 2010, waited a bit then went to another dealer in town who gave me invoice for a 2011 plus a great trade-in...I will never, ever (did I say never?) go to that first dealership again.
04-12-2013, 08:54 PM
#74
Le Mans Master
When I go for a C7 in the future, I will buy from a large volume forum dealer, just like I have with my last 4 Corvettes. There are 4 local Chevrolet dealers in a 30 mile radius from me and dealing with any of them on a Corvette is next to impossible. One of them bragged how they have a deposit on a C7 for 20 grand over MSRP!!!!
04-13-2013, 08:24 AM
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I strongly recommend forum dealers to purchase a c7.
My last corvette purchased from Dave at kerbeck was a flawless transaction which made the whole experience part of the fun.
I am sure there are many fine supporting dealers here along with appropriate pricing and delivery timeframes.
My last corvette purchased from Dave at kerbeck was a flawless transaction which made the whole experience part of the fun.
I am sure there are many fine supporting dealers here along with appropriate pricing and delivery timeframes.
04-13-2013, 08:34 AM
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5 figure discounts on Corvettes have been available for many years. There are $20,000 discounts on some Corvette models currently. You obviously have no clue and should not be attempting to straighten anyone out here.
04-13-2013, 01:26 PM
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Comparing discounts on Corvettes is as "Apples to Apples" as you can get.
5 figure discounts on Corvettes have been available for many years. There are $20,000 discounts on some Corvette models currently. You obviously have no clue and should not be attempting to straighten anyone out here.
5 figure discounts on Corvettes have been available for many years. There are $20,000 discounts on some Corvette models currently. You obviously have no clue and should not be attempting to straighten anyone out here.
Respectfully, you do not know me, know anything about me or know how I may or may not help another Corvette Forum member. You have no insight into that which I have clues about or not.
Accordingly, please restrict your comments to advocating your opinions and refrain from characterizing mine.
04-14-2013, 09:08 AM
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Le Mans Master
So if a dealer gets no allotment does that mean the soonest you can buy a C7 from them would be the 2015 model?
Or do they just mean they won't get any of the initial 2014's that are produced, but may have some 2014's to sell after the first 6 months for example.
I'm guessing there are no forum vendors in Canada
Or do they just mean they won't get any of the initial 2014's that are produced, but may have some 2014's to sell after the first 6 months for example.
I'm guessing there are no forum vendors in Canada
04-14-2013, 09:39 AM
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Respectfully, you do not know me, know anything about me or know how I may or may not help another Corvette Forum member. You have no insight into that which I have clues about or not.
Accordingly, please restrict your comments to advocating your opinions and refrain from characterizing mine.
Accordingly, please restrict your comments to advocating your opinions and refrain from characterizing mine.
Take a look at the participating dealers inventory and huge discounts offered now and in the past. You will have a much better perspective on current price reality. Hope that helps you as you are way off the mark and creating a misconception.
04-14-2013, 01:25 PM
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Not about your opinions, your advice is wrong and bogus. It is abundantly clear that you should not be giving advice about current or prior discounts.
Take a look at the participating dealers inventory and huge discounts offered now and in the past. You will have a much better perspective on current price reality. Hope that helps you as you are way off the mark and creating a misconception.
Take a look at the participating dealers inventory and huge discounts offered now and in the past. You will have a much better perspective on current price reality. Hope that helps you as you are way off the mark and creating a misconception.
1. A member starts a thread in the C7 Section about disappointment with his dealer on misrepresenting allocation, etc
2. Thread moves and along and morphs into C7 pricing, deposits, etc
3. A member recall about just reading where someone purchased a car $18 below invoice
4. I reply that the purchase was for a leftover car - suggested we keep an apples to apples comparison in place on the Thread - C6 discounts and C7 pricing are apples and oranges
5. You reply comparing Corvette to Corvette pricing is apples to apples - state that I have no clue - and should not be attempting to help
6. I ask that you kindly refrain from characterizing my opinions
7. You say my advice is wrong, bogus and creating a misconception.
I will ask one more time that you refrain from characterizing my opinions and assassinating my reputation. I firmly believe that I am correct in that the current discounting of C6 Corvettes are apples and the discounting on the initial C7's will be oranges in comparison. The fact that one can achieve a 15, 18 or even 20 thousand dollar discount currently on a C6, by no means translates to the same discounting of the initial C7's. I believe the market will demonstrate my belief to be correct upon the C7 becoming available.
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