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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 07:47 AM
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A 458 will absolutely stomp a C7 on a track. So don't say the C7 can quite easily deal with a 458, that's baloney.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Beg to differ. The 458 shifts so much quicker than the C7 it is not a contest.

I have both cars. Don't get me wrong. The 458 is not worth 3X the Vette, but the Vette ain't keeping up with it.

Both great cars
Totally agree.

The cars are meant for different markets. One is a 200k+ supercar and the other a mass appeal car. That the corvette gives you 95% of the performance for 1/3 the cost shows how far GM has come. Most people that can afford the 458 will buy one because they want one sports car not two.

In Naples, Florida you will see more 458's running around then C7's because the people can afford them.

I can't afford a Ferrari or a C7 right now but will at some point in the future.

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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by C7pimp
A 458 will absolutely stomp a C7 on a track. So don't say the C7 can quite easily deal with a 458, that's baloney.
Totally agreed. This post is BS. Love your C7 but lets be realistic here. The C7 wont run a near 3 flat 0-60 nor will it run 10's in the 1/4 stock, not even close.

I am sure if you had both you wouldn't be saying ridiculous stuff as such

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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by musclecar6
Personally I like the looks of the C7 over the 458, but I'm a vette junkie, so that's obviously somewhat biased. The vette does need a modern auto/ DCT tranny to keep up with the times, as we've all talked about alot. Other than that, there is the " feel" of how everything comes together in the 458, by all reports, that sets it apart. Certainly a rush I'm sure. Ferrari's have never done much for me and I have no desire for one, but hey if it rings one's bell and you've got the coin, go for it. I get my kicks by sending my vettes to LPE, and for cheap money compared to the outrageous up charge for the Ferrari, rings my bell to the max. Just wait till Lingenfelter, Callaway, and other well regarded forum tuners work their magic on the C7 and the Z07 etc come out.

Better looking C7? Get off the pipe guy. You won't even get noticed next to that gorgeous 458. Be realistic.

I wonder which one a vast majority of hot chicks and knowledgable car junkies would want to ride in?

Best bang for the buck in the world, but why does it always have to get carried away with stupid comparisons like this post?

Get real
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jd86L98
Additionally, I would argue the average Ferrari driver is not going to push the car anywhere near its limits.
Like the majority of Vette owners do!
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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i love my c7 but 458 looks bad ***. i would get 458 if I had that $
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jd86L98
Motor Trend Laguna Seca lap times:

2011 458 (Best Drivers Car Hot Lap) 1.36:22
2014 C7 Z51 (Best Drivers Car update) 1.38.04

So approximately $225k buys you two seconds. I would argue, with average drivers, the C7 would definitely hold its own on any track. Additionally, I would argue the average Ferrari driver is not going to push the car anywhere near its limits.

Can't wait for the C7 Z06/07!
So in a 50 lap race, a 458 wins by 2 minutes. That's huge. Besides, they need to run on the same day, head to head by the same driver to get a more accurate comparison. The 458 is lighter, has over 100 more horsepower, and can take corners a bit harder than a C7. Head to head, a 458 will dominate.
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You can't compare the two. It's like comparing a $99 tablet to an iPad Air because the specs are similar on paper.
So you're saying that the 458 is horrendously overpriced and sells primarily on image and style?
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Originally Posted by C7pimp
So in a 50 lap race, a 458 wins by 2 minutes. That's huge. Besides, they need to run on the same day, head to head by the same driver to get a more accurate comparison. The 458 is lighter, has over 100 more horsepower, and can take corners a bit harder than a C7. Head to head, a 458 will dominate.
50 laps in a 458? The brake pedal and the temp gauges will disagree with your statement. Otherwise yeah I agree
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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The spec sheet racing that happens on this forum is stupid comical!

The 458 is "only" 2secs faster...... bunch of ignorant none racing folks around here obviously.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RocketGuy3
So you're saying that the 458 is horrendously overpriced and sells primarily on image and style?
Actually, it's not.

If you work in the consumer market, you will understand the cost requirements of a low end to a mid grade product aren't very far away in price, but a mid-end to high end product are much further away in price.

Then, the difference between a high-end product and ultra high end is a massive jump in price for just a little bit better, but all the fine details are accounted for and are precise, which drives the price of a marginally better performing product through the roof.

Once you get to ultra high end products, it takes a lot more money just to get a little bit more.

In the case of a C7 vs a 458, every aspect of the 458 is head and shoulders above the C7, it's not even close. The quality of the interior is far and above that of the C7, the leathers used are ultra premium grade, which is extremely expensive. They use leather from a specific type of cow to ensure the highest quality.

The engine in a 458 is a masterpiece. The price of that mill is near the price of an entire C7.

All these high end features on a car like that add up very quickly.

The 458 isn't really that overpriced. They are a limited quantity vehicle with the finest materials and engineering available, period. That costs big $$ to make a profit.

Ferrari could easily water down their product and make a $70,000 car that performs similar to a C7, but that's not what a Ferrari is all about.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 11:40 AM
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two seconds is an eternity when discussing lap times.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TachItUp
two seconds is an eternity when discussing lap times.
exactly
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DCTandAWD?
The C7 needs a DCT option ASAP.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by C7pimp
Actually, it's not.

If you work in the consumer market, you will understand the cost requirements of a low end to a mid grade product aren't very far away in price, but a mid-end to high end product are much further away in price.

Then, the difference between a high-end product and ultra high end is a massive jump in price for just a little bit better, but all the fine details are accounted for and are precise, which drives the price of a marginally better performing product through the roof.

Once you get to ultra high end products, it takes a lot more money just to get a little bit more.

In the case of a C7 vs a 458, every aspect of the 458 is head and shoulders above the C7, it's not even close. The quality of the interior is far and above that of the C7, the leathers used are ultra premium grade, which is extremely expensive. They use leather from a specific type of cow to ensure the highest quality.

The engine in a 458 is a masterpiece. The price of that mill is near the price of an entire C7.

All these high end features on a car like that add up very quickly.

The 458 isn't really that overpriced. They are a limited quantity vehicle with the finest materials and engineering available, period. That costs big $$ to make a profit.

Ferrari could easily water down their product and make a $70,000 car that performs similar to a C7, but that's not what a Ferrari is all about.
Heh, I was making a facetious reference to the iPad's ridiculous prices, not the Ferrari.

That said, I think Ferrari is literally incapable of producing a $70K car that could compete with the Corvette's performance. They would have to make some serious infrastructure investments. They are not equipped to make a car that could benefit from the cost savings of mass production.

... And yes, the Ferrari is overpriced by any objective measure, but most people buy those cars largely as collectors items to show off to people. They don't buy them just to be the fastest car on the block.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 12:31 PM
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The limited numbers of the Ferrari have more to do with the cost than the content of the car. The vette is not its equal but it is amazing how close it comes for a fraction of the cost and the cost to own and repair is also in a different universe. I come away from these comparisons not seeing the vette as lacking but rather it is shown to be an incredible car.
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jd86L98
Motor Trend Laguna Seca lap times:

2011 458 (Best Drivers Car Hot Lap) 1.36:22
2014 C7 Z51 (Best Drivers Car update) 1.38.04

So approximately $225k buys you two seconds. I would argue, with average drivers, the C7 would definitely hold its own on any track. Additionally, I would argue the average Ferrari driver is not going to push the car anywhere near its limits.

Can't wait for the C7 Z06/07!
2 seconds at 120 MPH is 352 feet. Thats more than a football field.

88 feet per second = 60 MPH
176 feet per second = 120 MPH
2 seconds x 176 feet = 352 feet
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan12
2 seconds at 120 MPH is 352 feet. Thats more than a football field.

88 feet per second = 60 MPH
176 feet per second = 120 MPH
2 seconds x 176 feet = 352 feet
Thanks for the clarification...that should bring a few back down to earth....by the way i'm still waiting for the c7 vs. space shuttle thread....
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Old Nov 4, 2013 | 01:37 PM
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I drove the 458 at the Disney race track last year...it was a bit of a let down! great car...extremely easy to drive (maybe to easy to drive at it limits) ...just never gave me that thrill or scare i get when I run my Z06 flat out. My Z gets my heart racing and adrenaline flowing...the Ferrari was like a trip to the grocery store and back just did what i wanted it to do with no hint of danger or excitement. Its hard to explain unless you drive them back to back...but I have heard similar explanations from people who have driven the GTR...that its like a robot with no emotions.
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Originally Posted by jd86L98
Motor Trend Laguna Seca lap times:

2011 458 (Best Drivers Car Hot Lap) 1.36:22
2014 C7 Z51 (Best Drivers Car update) 1.38.04

So approximately $225k buys you two seconds. I would argue, with average drivers, the C7 would definitely hold its own on any track. Additionally, I would argue the average Ferrari driver is not going to push the car anywhere near its limits.

Can't wait for the C7 Z06/07!
Let's not forget that both the C6 Z06 and ZR1 bested the Ferrari 458 in several comparison tests, which is impressive as hell to me.
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