ersin

You need to read my rebuttal to this above. The radius for lockouts is 1/2 mile. An LEO radar with frequency close to the one locked out and far enough away that the locked out source can't be detected yet within the 1/2 mile tolerance, will in fact be ignored. This is not a theoretical problem. It has happened.


Cheers.

3 Z06ZR1

Yes the ci and one sensor behind the windshield doesn't beat the bigger outside units on the corners of your car.
Plus I have laser protection and radar with GPS and escort live!
You can use the V-1 I will stay with Escort
When you lose your battles you start changing subjects!
escort > V-1

webdzynes

Question, Ersin - on post 31 you suggested the V1 for performance. I'm guessing the inference is that the Redline gives the earliest warning but not the best overall performance?

3 Z06ZR1

Who said the radius is 1/2 mile? Sounds made up!
Need to call Escort because that's not how it works!
Explain it to them. Several hundred thousand miles with my Escort
and it never as happened.

ersin

I didn't realize this was a battle. I am trying to educate the readers here with clear, proven, unbiased information. But it's clear you have a one track mind. In your mind anyone that doesn't agree with you is wrong, or somehow loses.

I've used many countermeasures myself and have participated in many test scenarios where many other brands and models were tested. What I've presented are not just my conclusions but represent a consensus from others who have also tested and run with detectors and jammers. There are forums specifically dedicated to countermeasures. I challenge you to search for these and to do more research. You're mind will be expanded. Unless you choose to keep it closed.


Cheers.

ersin

Lockout radius is 1/2 mile. Go to Escort's forum and search for it. Or call them. It makes no difference. Still 1/2 mile.


Cheers.

ersin

I said earlier (sorry, not going to look at which post) that the Redline is king. It has better sensitivity than both the V1 and the STi-R+. But the V1 and STi-R+ are close. Bear in mind that they all must be set up properly. Where the RL has no rival is in off-axis sensitivity. Mike Valentine says this makes the detector too chatty, but I'd rather that the V1 be better in this off-axis scenario. It really pays off when you're coming to a curve.

However, the Redline has no arrows and so you need to spend a little more effort trying to identify if the alert is a threat or not. This is why I say the V1 is better at increasing your situational awareness.

Another thing the RL (and STi-R+) have over the V1 is that they are not detectable by RDDs. This is important in Virginia.


Cheers.

djseto

I will add that my 9500ix is in the mode where it shows multiple signals at once. I've seen it show X, KA, and TWO K band signals all at once. It can clearly track and discern multiple frequencies. I think the manual says like up to 7 or something near that.

When a cop drives by with front and forward radar mounts, it show two signals for K or KA band.

3 Z06ZR1

You think your only the radar expert when anyone has internet.
Radar Roy is a good site to look at he has tested them all saving me
the trouble.

I just stand that Escort company is bigger better been around longer
and sells many many more than the V-1 which still just signals
radar and laser but other than that it is old school.
Not advancing the tech nearly as much as Escort

ersin

No I see your problem. Ask yourself: "Is there any correlation between what Radar Roy sells and the results of his tests?". Check out how active his forum is (radardetector.net) compared to other forums like Escort's forum and radardetectorforum dot org. This should tell you the status Radar Roy now has in this "hobby". Another Escort shill to take with a grain of salt is Craig Peterson. You want unbiased results? Try Veil guy's blog or one of the aforementioned forums.

Here's a little history lesson. Escort started as Cincinnati Microwave. Their first product was called the "Escort". I owned one of these back then. The "Escort" radar detector was co-designed by Mike Valentine. Yes, the one who owns Valentine Research, the makers of the Valentine One. Mike designed the first "modern" (i.e. superheterodyne) radar detector in the business.

Your assertion that the V1 is "old school" is disingenuous. In terms of detection technology they are right on the bleeding edge.


Cheers.

webdzynes

So Ersin - Based on what you know, for the average guy, which detector would you: 1) recommend

and

2) recommend if it could be purchased for $279 (the V1 trade in upgrade I can buy)?

and thanks for all the posts - they are very professional and helpful!

ersin

First of all, my take is you bought (or are thinking about buying) a high performance vehicle, otherwise you wouldn't be here. The Corvette is a $50,000+ car. So spend the money to get the best detector. By owning or considering the Corvette you are not the average guy. I won't recommend something for the average guy here.

You not only need to spend the money, you need to invest in learning how to set up and use the detector to maximize its effectiveness. At its base, it is a tool used to increase your situational awareness. It is not a cop finder. It is not a license to speed. It is a tool that will help you tailor your driving to the conditions, and as such is only one factor in your decision making.

There is no one best detector. If you drive mostly in the city (what a dirty shame for the Corvette owner) you may want to consider something like the Escort max. You don't need the range. But be aware of its limitations. I will assume though that Corvette owners want to take their car on the highway, at least once in a while.

If you like a clean cabin, the STi-R+ is the one for you. It will cost more and if you don't want to install it yourself (which I can understand) then plan on spending even more for a pro to install it. The other downside is that you need to keep the outside head clean or performance will suffer. This shouldn't be a problem for those Corvette owners who are **** about keeping their car looking good.

If you drive in a place where detectors are banned, like Virginia then your choices are the Escort Redline or the Beltronics STi-R+. They are immune to being detected by the Spectre Elite radar detector detector.

If you have a V1, keep it. Or upgrade it, which is my suggestion to you. There is too little difference to spend the money to switch. Conversely, if you have a Redline, keep it. Same for the STi-R+.

If you don't already have one of these and you decide on a windshield mount then it's a tossup between the V1 and RL.

The RL has more range, especially off axis, than anything else. It has spec mode but the V1 with options will show you the same information and more. You can buy the Escort Live cord and subscribe to Escort Live. I think a better solution though is to use the Waze app. I don't like to see what others have detected as I don't know how they have set up their detectors. But Live will give you lockouts.

The V1 has the arrows to show you the general direction of the detected signal. It also has a more clever way of alerting you -- you can easily change the "muted" alert volume to suit conditions. With options, viz. the V1 Connection and YaV1 app, you tailor the conditions for when an alert should be full volume, muted volume or no audio at all, whichever way you want. You can tailor the lockout settings, e.g. set the radius and direction as well as frequency deviation. You can mute under a certain speed. You can change colors. And more. YaV1 is free from the Google Android store (or whatever its called). The V1 Connection option is $50 (okay, it's really $49) but is worth it IMHO.

There you have it.


Cheers.

Monaco335

I'm selling my trusty escort 8500 for a max. Can the V1 differentiate between active cruise on cars vs actual speed gun? If it can't then yes it is obsolete due to the false alarms.

Escort Max + blinder laser shifter = yes.

ersin

At this point, it cannot. No detector can. Not even the max. But turning on TMF on the V1, or TSR on Escorts will help calm such false alerts.


Cheers.

13brv3

What (if anything) can be done about the Audis and other cars that are polluting the radar bands with their collision avoidance systems? Is that a frequency that can be tuned out (safely?) by any of the leading detectors?

My current Audi plan is to drive in and out of their rear corners in hopes that it irritates them as much as their radar is irritating me

I have to admit that I haven't even tried the BT gizmo or the Android app for the V1 yet. It's on the to-do list, but not very high I'm afraid.

Cheers,
Rusty

Eleventh

ersin - Wanted to say thank you. Your posts were very educational and you kept your cool, even with some flame-bait replies.

Any opinion on built-in vs. dashboard? I don't care about the concealment point, but isn't there a benefit to having the sensor higher above ground, to improve range, that favors a window mount?

rtadallasvette

Here in Ellis County Texas the local sherrifs use K band just an FYI

ersin

Most agree that mounting higher is better. But this is a general statement. You can miss a signal high up that a lower, outside mounted head will pick up. For example, behind a big 18 wheeler this could be the case. Not being behind glass helps a bit too. But the opposite can also happen, and probably more than the former. However, I think with the great performance of todays best detectors this point is moot.


Cheers.

AORoads

Really some good posts on this thread and ersin is correct about Valentine, Cincinnati Micro and Valentine's association with same.

I can't speak to the questions above, but just a humorous note: while you would spend "only" $279 for an update, the fact is you have maybe $400+ the $279 in it, or will. So, if there's a "real" dollar number you should be targeting, it might be more like $680 vs. $279.

Why do I say that? Because I have a sense of humor about my detector which, due to shipping, updates, replacement update, etc. is (as I call it) the world's most expensive single radar detector: I am way over $700.

And one last thing: ersin is correct in his statement "At its base, it is a tool used to increase your situational awareness. It is not a cop finder. It is not a license to speed. It is a tool that will help you tailor your driving to the conditions, and as such is only one factor in your decision making. "

For those who believe you can "beat a LEO" every time at 20 or 30 or more over the limit using the best radar detector, I say you are wrong. More than several years ago, the best instant-on at the time, used by very skilled people in the right location was unbelievably good----for LEOs. Radar has not gotten worse over the years.

Rob4092xx

Agree....Ersin, you did a great job that I really appreciate! I learned a lot from your knowledge!