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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sharpseadog
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe is either museum delivery or dealer delivery, but you don't pay for both.

Also, do you have any idea what your baby will go thru if you don't take museum delivery? It will be loaded on a transporter, then unloaded at the rail head in Cleveland, where it will sit for a few days; Then loaded into a rail car carrier; then 3 weeks; and 3 different railroads (for west coast delivery). Then unloaded at rail terminal, and loaded again on to a car transporter. Loaded and un-loaded 3 times, by at least 4 different people. 3 weeks longer delivery time.

I ordered and paid for museum delivery mainly to avoid all of that. I wanted to marry a virgin. Unfortunately due to the "Stop Sale Order", and my travel arrangements, I had to cancel the museum delivery and have car diverted to dealer. Car was built on 9-10, and I am still waiting.
I actually see getting it from your local dealership makes more sense, if there's a problem with the car such as the INFAMOUS ORANGE PEEL (or other issues during delivery), you can get a better recourse probably with your local dealer. Heck, since the car is on the lot, you can possibly even reject to sign and buy the car if you are not 100% satisfied with it or get it all that needs to be fixed on paper before you pay for it.

With NCM, I don't see that as an option. Who will take the ownership of fixing issues that you have with the car? By that time, it might be too late or much harder since you already PAID for the car. Can you reject a NCM delivery because there are issues to the car? :-)

Take a look at the following old thread where the NCM folks recommended the owner to use a claybar for ORANGE PEEL :-)
"My car was perfect, with the significant exception of orange peel on nearly every surface of the car. I mentioned this to the NCM Museum staff, and they dodged the issue, not that I blame them. I mentioned it to someone at the factory, and they dodged the issue again, promising that someone would be calling me to ask how I liked the car. (It's sort of like having Cameron Diaz as your girlfriend.. a world class beauty but with a really bad complexion, and once you notice, it's tough to forget!) The NCM staff did tell me that they hoped it would get better as the paint cured, and that using a clay bar might help. Guess what I'm doing this weekend"
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-delivery.html

This is a question that I also posted earlier if NCM folks will care about ORANGE PEEL or not:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-delivery.html

Obviously Orange Peel is just an example of an issue that can happen during a Delivery. My point is that it's harder to reject a car for whatever reasons that you are not satisfied with if you are doing a Museum Delivery than when you are still strolling the car at your local dealers.

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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruiter
What do all these rants and arguments have to do with the C7?
Maybe because the C7 is the only GM vehicle that GM charges the customer for transporting.

My understanding is the various vehicle transporting companies "bid" on this and what is listed on the WS is what they get for each vehicle. They than work with the drivers and the rail people for the specific mode for each unit. Their profit depends on their cleverness in completing such arrangements.

The destination charge has been a separate WS item long before the one charge fits all started and I believe listing it as a separate item is a part of the federal law that requires the WS.

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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fdxpilot
When the R8C Museum Delivery option debuted in 2001, it was $490 and stayed at that price for 13 years. If it had increased proportionally to the base price of the car, the '14 R8C would not have caused such a ruckus being priced at $990. While it is expensive, most of the money goes to the Museum, and no one is forcing customers to participate.

I do think that is correct. Approx $700 of the $990 goes to the Museum - at least that was the info I read on Corvette Blogger?

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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 08:42 PM
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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by donald4972
go buy a Ford, or a Porsche. You don't have to put up with that 'scam', not for one more minute....
Too late. He has made the plunge and is now one of the dreaded Gov't Motors supporters.
Old Oct 19, 2014 | 10:24 PM
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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tambeng
I actually see getting it from your local dealership makes more sense, if there's a problem with the car such as the INFAMOUS ORANGE PEEL (or other issues during delivery), you can get a better recourse probably with your local dealer. Heck, since the car is on the lot, you can possibly even reject to sign and buy the car if you are not 100% satisfied with it or get it all that needs to be fixed on paper before you pay for it.

With NCM, I don't see that as an option. Who will take the ownership of fixing issues that you have with the car? By that time, it might be too late or much harder since you already PAID for the car. Can you reject a NCM delivery because there are issues to the car? :-)

Take a look at the following old thread where the NCM folks recommended the owner to use a claybar for ORANGE PEEL :-)
"My car was perfect, with the significant exception of orange peel on nearly every surface of the car. I mentioned this to the NCM Museum staff, and they dodged the issue, not that I blame them. I mentioned it to someone at the factory, and they dodged the issue again, promising that someone would be calling me to ask how I liked the car. (It's sort of like having Cameron Diaz as your girlfriend.. a world class beauty but with a really bad complexion, and once you notice, it's tough to forget!) The NCM staff did tell me that they hoped it would get better as the paint cured, and that using a clay bar might help. Guess what I'm doing this weekend"
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-delivery.html

This is a question that I also posted earlier if NCM folks will care about ORANGE PEEL or not:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-delivery.html

Obviously Orange Peel is just an example of an issue that can happen during a Delivery. My point is that it's harder to reject a car for whatever reasons that you are not satisfied with if you are doing a Museum Delivery than when you are still strolling the car at your local dealers.
I agree with all this...Plus after you get the car at the dealer you can drive to Funtucky and pay about fifty bucks and get the "good" plant tour and museum tour. You see everything you see with the 900 dollar deliver except with out the fake applause... You also get a great drive BOTH ways..

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Old Oct 19, 2014 | 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by U2Slow
Why i dont get is that if I go to local dealer and buy my Vette near my house at the dealer, why is destination charge my cost. I didnt ask to have that car shipped to local dealer. Dealership did. Dealer shipped it to them and they should be charged that fee but they manage to pass it to consumer because they can. (Just because it was that was for years doesn't mean it is ok). We accept it and they pass their cost to us. Until people start to complain about it we will be paying for it. Until then govt motors will pass the cost to us.

I guess next time I go to local dealer I can pay for the car and then they will ship the car to my house for free since I was charged destination fee. Right?

We accept it and they will keep giving it to us.

As far museum fee, that is experience one pays for and it is worth it if one chooses to do so.

I just can't stand destination fee SCAM in my opinion.

Perhaps you're not aware that most products which are shipped include either (1) a built in fee to cover the shipping or (2) the shipping is paid separately and added to the cost of inventory. Either way, the freight in to ship the product to the purchaser is part of their inventory cost. This "passing on the destination fee" isn't something that GM invented. And no, it's not your destination, it's the destination of the company buying the product for resale whether that's a dealership, Walmart, Toys R Us or whatever!
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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 01:05 AM
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Humm....strange post! I didn't take museum delivery, however, I flew to Atlanta, from Houston, at my expense, and drove mine home! I've been to the museum before, not for a delivery, just to visit. The experience was great there.

I would assume, (don't know for sure), just my opinion here, but I would guess that this is just a way of keeping the legacy of owning a Corvette alive & well.
Old Oct 20, 2014 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by U2Slow
Why i dont get is that if I go to local dealer and buy my Vette near my house at the dealer, why is destination charge my cost. I didnt ask to have that car shipped to local dealer. Dealership did. Dealer shipped it to them and they should be charged that fee but they manage to pass it to consumer because they can. (Just because it was that was for years doesn't mean it is ok). We accept it and they pass their cost to us. Until people start to complain about it we will be paying for it. Until then govt motors will pass the cost to us.

I guess next time I go to local dealer I can pay for the car and then they will ship the car to my house for free since I was charged destination fee. Right?

We accept it and they will keep giving it to us.


As far museum fee, that is experience one pays for and it is worth it if one chooses to do so.

I just can't stand destination fee SCAM in my opinion.
If they just built it into the price of the car would you be happier?
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.....and on and on and on..! Never would have guessed this forum had so many disgruntled people. Will this rant ever end?
Old Oct 20, 2014 | 07:58 AM
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There are so many flaws in your analogy that I don't know where to start. First of all, the 7% savings you mention is just a discount off of M.S.R.P. I don't know how much the typical discount is on a new BMW but I doubt that 7% is atypical. It's easy to save that much on a new Corvette purchase.

Other than being the ones who collect the money, GM has nothing to do with Museum Delivery and what it includes. It's all driven by the National Corvette Museum, an independent organization with no direct ties to General Motors. There is no Corvette equivalent to other makers' European delivery programs.

Finally, anyone who thinks that BMW is giving anything away for nothing is sadly mistaken. Think about it.
Wrong. 7% off is not off of MSRP, it's off of US Invoice. There is US invoice for each BMW and there is ED invoice on top of that which is 7% lower. A 120k M5 can be had for 110k in US and 104k in ED delivery (I have a friend who did this actually for this price).
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Museum delivery is optional of course, but in my personal opinion, having done it twice, is a really enjoyable and informative event. They not only prep the car to perfection, but you are instructed in use of all systems and controls and get a personalized factory tour as well. The destination charge is not under control of GM or Corvette, and is the same whether your destination is the local Chevy dealer in Bowling Green, the Museum or Seattle, Washington. The choice is yours, and if you think the cots are excessive, don't order Museum delivery
Old Oct 20, 2014 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CruznCorvette
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Out of 37,288 cars manufactured for 2014 only 1,231 people chose NCM delivery.
Based on my experience, that is dealer ignorance relative to the option.

My local dealer didn't know about the option when I got my C5 - I had to provide them with the info. When I started looking at C7s, dealer tried very hard to talk me out of it, to include telling me R8C was halted indefinately b/c of the sinkhole/collapsed cave. (I didn't get it for other reasons).

From what the dealer tells me, my C5 was the only R8C they have ever done. I'd venture that's in part b/c they are more interested in moving their stock orders as opposed to making special orders and R8Cs where they just do the paperwork.

I mentioned the incorrect (R8C program halted) to the NCM director when I was there a couple weeks ago. Apparently, they have no effective way to broadcast info to dealers.
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Used Corvettes have no destination charge!
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I think the sinkhole was a sign from above where this is all heading.
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Originally Posted by oyealiz
Perhaps you're not aware that most products which are shipped include either (1) a built in fee to cover the shipping or (2) the shipping is paid separately and added to the cost of inventory. Either way, the freight in to ship the product to the purchaser is part of their inventory cost. This "passing on the destination fee" isn't something that GM invented. And no, it's not your destination, it's the destination of the company buying the product for resale whether that's a dealership, Walmart, Toys R Us or whatever!
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Old Oct 20, 2014 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sailfun
If they just built it into the price of the car would you be happier?
I probably would.
Old Oct 20, 2014 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by NavyBlue2
I don't get it.

You pay for flight to Kentucky, pay $990 for Museum Delivery, pay $995 for delivery, just to pick up your Vette directly at the factory?
& gets to pay sales tax in your home state also?

So came up with this scam? & why do we put up with it?
I understand the special significance of Museum delivery, but...

I'm somewhat OK for the $1000 delivery for Mercedes & BMW European delivery program, since they have to ship the car across the Atlantic, but at least they don't charge extra for Museum delivery to tour their factory.

Don't believe any other industry works this way!

Just my observation, all u Gov't Motors supporters flame away...
I agree with you and there should be a museum charge or a transportation charge but not both !!! Many years ago delivery charges were based on mileage from the factory and that's what it should be now !!! Also years ago if you picked up foreign cars at their plant you saved thousands of dollars such that it was enough to pay for your flight !!! Wayne
Old Oct 20, 2014 | 09:21 AM
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3 points

1.) If you buy from the right Corvette dealer and choose the NCM delivery option, they will waive the $995 delivery charge.

2.) NCM is a non profit organization that needs $$$ to keep up the fine work they do.

3.) No car mfg in the world has a museum for a specific car model. Wear it with pride and support it. If you dont want NCM museum delivery, at least get a basic membership.



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