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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 02:29 PM
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When using AA and Google Maps for Navigation are you using your cellphone data? I have 2.5 GB of high speed plus unlimited at a lower speed.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1 Z51
It's a acronym for many things, how can you be sure DMV is department of Motor Vehicles? It can be entirely contextual. You are making a gross assumption here.
Of course it's contextual. That's the point! When navigating to a thing called "DMV" the top result is probably Dept of Motor Vehicles. This is pretty much exactly how humans do it. If I was rolling down the street in my vette and dropped the window to ask somebody on the street "Hey where's the DMV" I will be this month's entire invoice payment that the person would respond with directions to the Dept of Motor Vehicles and not Downtown Mt View (especially since I'm now back in San Diego and not in the Bay Area) nor the center for the nearest Disabled Military Veteran.

It's actually not at all close, the guys at Google (and Apple, and even Microsoft) are getting very good at "tricking" you into thinking its good.
You're welcome to your opinion but I do not agree with you. It's no trick to use context to say fill in the missing subject based on the previous question you asked (e.g. Who is the current president? Followed by How old is he?). In fact it's pretty much exactly what humans do.

I'm a Computer Engineer by education and have done a fair amount of coding in my life.
Yeah and I've been the computer field since the 70's.

I'm not impressed by current technology, specifically since with the amount of processing power and memory that is now available the optimization of processing data has gone in the toilet. If you gather enough data from enough people, it seems like the computer is smart, when its not it really could be doing something as simple as a binomial sort.
I await your AI solution...

Meantime, I didn't say the computer was "smart". I said it was getting good at voice recognition and how to use context. In any event, it's clear that Google's voice recognition is head and shoulders above GMs. And, after all, that's the point here.

That's an issue with how you organize data versus a computer, you don't think like a computer and a computer doesn't think like you.
I didn't say the computer "thinks" at all. You did!


It's not amazing, what is amazing is that they do SO LITTLE with the data they have. If your brain could store that amount of information it would blow Google away. Some smart people with high IQ's already do this relational sorting in their own minds. I know I do, until Google is better than doing what I do in my own head, I'm frankly unimpressed.
Again, I'm looking forward to your AI solution and I'm wondering why those very smart people with high IQ's aren't working for companies like Google (Oh wait - they probably are!)

It is true, all Google did was leverage data. And leveraged it (as I've said) poorly. The question you should be asking (and we get to below) is why do they have all this data.
Why should I be asking that question? Truth is I don't really care - see below. I have never and I refuse to live my life in fear.

I use Gmail, Google Maps, and Google Translate (because there big data is important). But I refuse to buy into an ecosystem. This is how you become a "slave" to the machine, it could be Apple, Google, Microsoft, or even Facebook.
Ah the paranoia comes out. Your statement doesn't make any sense. You say that you don't buy into an ecosystem yet say you use Google services. Huh? Do you use Gmail/Maps/etc but just constantly feed it data that has nothing to do with you? Might explain why you're unimpressed...

Nothing is free, you give up things to get things. I'm of the opinion giving up access to all of my data so a company can figure out what I mean instead of me getting smarter and learning how to use the tool better is dumb. I'm not going to make Google smarter, I'm going to make myself smarter.
Hmmm... Doesn't sound smart to me! Of course nothing is free - never said anything was free. But do I care if Google knows that I have a Nest and that they will then send me an ad about how to get more products like that? Not in the least! If I'm interested in it I'll read it. If I don't want to be advertised to a simple few clicks of the mouse and I will never see ads from them again.

It's not like big bad corps are to blame. Hell I get crappy spam email from even little companies. For example, Mor Furniture keeps sending me spam even though they've been on my blacklist(*) since about 2011 when I bought some furniture from them. Does it bother me? Not at all. I never see their spam.

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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 02:39 PM
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I spent about 10 minutes saying "Navigate to DMV"
I think I see the problem.
Let me explain. Normally I'd try once or twice and if it failed I'd give up and go to Google Maps. This time, however, I was parked outside my house and made a determined effort to try different things to see if I could get it to work. That's how I figured out I needed to say "McKnee Ranch State Park" instead of just "McKnee Ranch". It was a deliberate test and why it took me several minutes (maybe not 10 - maybe 5 or 8 or so). But I tried over and over again saying to myself "this should work. Hmm. Let me try <x>". It's also why I remember this specific example vividly.

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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rmorin1249
When using AA and Google Maps for Navigation are you using your cellphone data? I have 2.5 GB of high speed plus unlimited at a lower speed.
GM uses the data connection for maps data and realtime stuff like traffic. Note, however, that you can download the map data for different areas ahead of time. I do this for some of the places where I go hiking because connections can be spotty. Recently I did this for South San Diego/Tijuana area as when you get within a few miles of the border I lose my cell connection and I really don't want to add and international plan nor use roaming.

If you don't have a connection but have downloaded the offline map beforehand, I suspect you won't get traffic information (nor be able to search for things like McDonalds, etc.)
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 02:52 PM
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I have NEVER had a problem with my Nav system....and I use it A LOT. First of all...you don't say "NAVIGATE" !!!! It asks for a city...you SAY the city...it asks for the street ...you SAY the street...it asks for the NUMBER..you SAY the number....just that easy. As far as the POI's are concerned....I haven't taken advantage of that as much as the address's However, before I leave the house I get the address of the POI I want to go to....Sorry some of you are having a problem using yours....but compared to the one in my C6 ...this one is a absolute pleasure to use.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 03:39 PM
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One thing i really like about the OEM nav is it shows turning directions near the speedometer. It's a useful visual cue and you dont have to look away. I wish 3rd party apps could do that. I mostly use Apple Maps.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyDunx
Waze is my absolute favorite but hate being tied to the phone interface. What NetGear device are you using?
Netgear Push to 2TV. I have a rooted Android S6 Edge and using Tasker, I rigged it to automatically connect to the NetGear on car start. There are two limitations.
  1. Screen Off - if you turn the screen off, you will loose the display on the center screen. There is root software called Screen Standby that can be used to darken the screen and enabling the Screen Mirror to continue.
  2. Audio - software like Pandora will attempt to send their audio to the screen mirrored device instead of sending it to the car via bluetooth. I never hooked up the Netgear audio so I get no sound from apps like Pandora. Waze still speaks through the phone if the right options are set. Phone calls work fine via BT. I don't mind this problem as I mostly use XM on the car anyway.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 04:50 PM
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I've used my phone through the Apple car play. Comes up right on the screen on my 2017. Only had the car 6 weeks so haven't used it much. Only problem I can foresee is if the signal is weak in some areas.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rmorin1249
When using AA and Google Maps for Navigation are you using your cellphone data? I have 2.5 GB of high speed plus unlimited at a lower speed.
Yes but with Google you can download maps for offline use.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
With the built in Nav system on the C7 ...you can SPEAK your destination. POI's...Intersections...or address's. Works great. Just press the Bluetooth button on the steering wheel .... wait for the tone and say NAVIGATION and then follow the prompts....couldn't be easier....
At my wife's urging, I looked into this and it quickly became my preferred nav tool/ method.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by C7Brute
It is my understanding there are three navigation options, PDR/Nav, On star Nav, and Car play leveraged with your smart phone. What are the pros and cons with each? Ease of use with each? On the fly use? Which is the better Nav option and why?
I don't have enough experience with the various systems, but I appreciate the thread because NAV is something I use often. Hope all your questions are answered.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 05:53 PM
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I don't have enough experience with the various systems, but I appreciate the thread because NAV is something I use often. Hope all your questions are answered.
Thanks for all the responses, some great information has been passed along!!!

I'm a big nav/traffic user myself and just trying to decide how I would like my c7 equipped potentially broadening my search inventory. I do want something that is integrated or can integrate into the car vs 3rd party. Thanks to all for the great information, I feel like PDR/Nav is not a must have for me but a like to have, as long as I get a 2016+.

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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
I have NEVER had a problem with my Nav system....and I use it A LOT. First of all...you don't say "NAVIGATE" !!!! It asks for a city...you SAY the city...it asks for the street ...you SAY the street...it asks for the NUMBER..you SAY the number....just that easy. As far as the POI's are concerned....I haven't taken advantage of that as much as the address's However, before I leave the house I get the address of the POI I want to go to....Sorry some of you are having a problem using yours....but compared to the one in my C6 ...this one is a absolute pleasure to use.
You may use it "a lot" but you don't use it much really. In my DMV example, I don't know the address! That's one of the reasons I have a Nav. It knows.

With AA I can be out and about and simply say "OK Google, Best Buy" and it'll show me the nearest 3 or 4 Best Buy's in the area of where I'm driving right now. I can select one and it'll add it as a stop.

I can stop at say my friend Mike's house. We can go out for a ride when he says "Hey I need to get some strings" and I can say "OK Google. Navigate to Guitar Center in San Ramone" and it'll say "Guitar Center is 5 miles from your location by car. You will get there in 15 minutes in light traffic. Alright. Let's go!" and then set the navigation and navigate me there. Or if I don't say the city it'll show me the 3 closest ones. One tap and I'm off.

And if you ever did start using the Nav to help you find places as opposed to telling the Nav exactly where you want to go by precise address, you'll see the factory Nav falls flat on its face. Searching for POIs using voice sucks and trying to use the screen to type it in can only be done when the car is not moving.

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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by defaria
You may use it "a lot" but you don't use it much really. In my DMV example, I don't know the address! That's one of the reasons I have a Nav. It knows.

With AA I can be out and about and simply say "OK Google, Best Buy" and it'll show me the nearest 3 or 4 Best Buy's in the area of where I'm driving right now. I can select one and it'll add it as a stop.

I can stop at say my friend Mike's house. We can go out for a ride when he says "Hey I need to get some strings" and I can say "OK Google. Navigate to Guitar Center in San Ramone" and it'll say "Guitar Center is 5 miles from your location by car. You will get there in 15 minutes in light traffic. Alright. Let's go!" and then set the navigation and navigate me there. Or if I don't say the city it'll show me the 3 closest ones. One tap and I'm off.
And if you ever did start using the Nav to help you find places as opposed to telling the Nav exactly where you want to go by precise address, you'll see the factory Nav falls flat on its face. Searching for POIs using voice sucks and trying to use the screen to type it in can only be done when the car is not moving.

If I ever need guitar strings I'll use your Google...but so far in my 72 years...guitar strings are something I haven't needed.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by defaria
Both MyLink and AA re-route you based on current traffic condition and are very good at it.
I have been rerouted by nav units several times and none of the reroutes were any good. Once I got some place where I could look at a map I quickly saw the nav system chose a roundabout way that took me far out of the way when a much better route was available. The last time that happened a Garmin took me 30 miles out of the way from an Interstate that had a huge delay due to construction. There was a nice road 3 miles from the interstate and running parallel to it. However, I got to see some down and out PA coal mining towns that probably hadn't seen a North Carolina license plate in 50 years.

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Originally Posted by obxchartercaptain
With the built in Nav system on the C7 ...you can SPEAK your destination. POI's...Intersections...or address's. Works great. Just press the Bluetooth button on the steering wheel .... wait for the tone and say NAVIGATION and then follow the prompts....couldn't be easier....
Voice works with carplay.........just hit the mic icon.
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Old Nov 29, 2016 | 09:08 PM
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If I ever need guitar strings I'll use your Google...but so far in my 72 years...guitar strings are something I haven't needed.
It's called an EXAMPLE! Substitute Depends diapers for guitar strings...
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I have been rerouted by nav units several times and none of the reroutes were any good. Once I got some place where I could look at a map I quickly saw the nav system chose a roundabout way that took me far out of the way when a much better route was available. The last time that happened a Garmin took me 30 miles out of the way from an Interstate that had a huge delay due to construction. There was a nice road 3 miles from the interstate and running parallel to it. However, I got to see some down and out PA coal mining towns that probably hadn't seen a North Carolina license plate in 50 years.

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I've been re-routed very nicely by both the factory nav and GM. GM tends to be more accurate IMHO. If the re-routing is due to traffic then the most up to date traffic will win out. If it's due to construction and the like all I can say is MyLink tends to have more errors in their maps then GM.
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Originally Posted by Mikec967
Voice works with carplay.........just hit the mic icon.
Indeed so does Google Maps in AA. The real challenge is does the voice recognition understand what you said? In my experience MyLink is right about 40% of the time while Google is right about 95-99% of the time.
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It is my understanding there are three navigation options, PDR/Nav, On star Nav, and Car play leveraged with your smart phone. What are the pros and cons with each? Ease of use with each? On the fly use? Which is the better Nav option and why?
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