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Every single manufacturer in GTLM feels they've been screwed by BOP, which probably means it's working as intended. The more you win, the more they're going to dial you back.
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They were "BoP'd" at Watkins Glen, COTA and Petit Le mans last year.
Just my opinion.
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My view is that BOP hits everyone sooner or later. I think the Ford GT got screwed a lot worse. It's hard to argue that BOP has been unfair to the C7R recently since they've won back-to-back manufacturer championships and more than anyone else.
Every single manufacturer in GTLM feels they've been screwed by BOP, which probably means it's working as intended. The more you win, the more they're going to dial you back.
Every single manufacturer in GTLM feels they've been screwed by BOP, which probably means it's working as intended. The more you win, the more they're going to dial you back.
"the more you win the more you get dialed back" is exactly why BoP sucks *****. Imagine if they made Mercedes run at 90% power in F1 so that McLaren could catch up? Holy crap.
The strongest should win, if you're not able to win without handicapping the strongest, you should work harder to go faster.
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Actually, the BOP "penalties" C7R received happened much earlier in the season than those races (before COTA) and stayed the same most of the season. They actually got a little back (larger throttle body) later in the season. I was at COTA, and had a conversation w/ the crew chief of #3. He wasn't complaining at all, and thought the rules reasonable.
It was BMW receiving the most help as they were completely non-competitive early in the season. At COTA, they suddenly qualified on the pole, and ran near the front of the pack the rest of the season. Ford GT had it's boost dialed way back after winning LeMans in 2016, and ran that way throughout the 2017 season including 2017 LeMans where their lap times were way down. Had they been allowed to continue at 2016 LeMans boost levels, it's pretty clear they would have dominated.
The Fords were very reliable by LeMans 2016, but were wrecked out many times in 2017. I do agree that the Corvette Racing Team is by far the most experienced and makes fewer mistakes than anyone else. They always make the most of what they have, and that's their credo.
I don't think Corvette fans would like the result, if the rules allowed the strongest to go as fast as they are capable of. The ME FI cars would run away with it.
It was BMW receiving the most help as they were completely non-competitive early in the season. At COTA, they suddenly qualified on the pole, and ran near the front of the pack the rest of the season. Ford GT had it's boost dialed way back after winning LeMans in 2016, and ran that way throughout the 2017 season including 2017 LeMans where their lap times were way down. Had they been allowed to continue at 2016 LeMans boost levels, it's pretty clear they would have dominated.
The Fords were very reliable by LeMans 2016, but were wrecked out many times in 2017. I do agree that the Corvette Racing Team is by far the most experienced and makes fewer mistakes than anyone else. They always make the most of what they have, and that's their credo.
I don't think Corvette fans would like the result, if the rules allowed the strongest to go as fast as they are capable of. The ME FI cars would run away with it.
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Actually, the BOP "penalties" C7R received happened much earlier in the season than those races (before COTA) and stayed the same most of the season. They actually got a little back (larger throttle body) later in the season.
It was BMW receiving the most help as they were completely non-competitive. At COTA, they suddenly qualified on the pole, and ran near the front of the pack the rest of the season. Ford GT had it's boost dialed back after winning LeMans in 2016, and ran that way throughout the 2017 season.
The Fords were very reliable, but were wrecked out several times.
It was BMW receiving the most help as they were completely non-competitive. At COTA, they suddenly qualified on the pole, and ran near the front of the pack the rest of the season. Ford GT had it's boost dialed back after winning LeMans in 2016, and ran that way throughout the 2017 season.
The Fords were very reliable, but were wrecked out several times.
All of the turbo cars had their boost regulated on every race. NA cars had their intake and refueling restrictor regulated. Last year was one of the few years that Corvette didn't have weight penalties, and when they do get weight penalties I think that hurts them more than the other restrictions as it has more of an impact on the handling setup. (I could be wrong, I'm just an armchair racing fan)
https://competitors.imsa.com/102016/...ical-bulletins
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Actually, the BOP "penalties" C7R received happened much earlier in the season than those races (before COTA) and stayed the same most of the season. They actually got a little back (larger throttle body) later in the season. I was at COTA, and had a conversation w/ the crew chief of #3. He wasn't complaining at all, and thought the rules reasonable.
It was BMW receiving the most help as they were completely non-competitive early in the season. At COTA, they suddenly qualified on the pole, and ran near the front of the pack the rest of the season. Ford GT had it's boost dialed back after winning LeMans in 2016, and ran that way throughout the 2017 season including 2017 LeMans where their lap times were way down. Had they been allowed to continue at 2016 LeMans boost levels, it's pretty clear they would have dominated.
The Fords were very reliable by LeMans 2016, but were wrecked out many times in 2017. I do agree that the Corvette Racing Team is by far the most experienced and makes fewer mistakes than anyone else. They always make the most of what they have, and that's their credo.
I don't think Corvette fans would like the result, if the rules allowed the strongest to go as fast as they are capable of. The ME FI cars would run away with it.
It was BMW receiving the most help as they were completely non-competitive early in the season. At COTA, they suddenly qualified on the pole, and ran near the front of the pack the rest of the season. Ford GT had it's boost dialed back after winning LeMans in 2016, and ran that way throughout the 2017 season including 2017 LeMans where their lap times were way down. Had they been allowed to continue at 2016 LeMans boost levels, it's pretty clear they would have dominated.
The Fords were very reliable by LeMans 2016, but were wrecked out many times in 2017. I do agree that the Corvette Racing Team is by far the most experienced and makes fewer mistakes than anyone else. They always make the most of what they have, and that's their credo.
I don't think Corvette fans would like the result, if the rules allowed the strongest to go as fast as they are capable of. The ME FI cars would run away with it.
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I'm a huge fan also. Have attended Sebring, stay up all night watching Le Mans, and attend the WeatherTech series at Road America every August. My diecast collection will now need to grow with the new Jake logo for '18. At RA crew chief Dan Binks always holds a charity auction for race used items. I've been fortunate to win some including a pit board from Le Mans in 2016. I had the drivers and Doug Fehan sign it. I also bought one of the C7.R car covers and had the drivers and Doug sign it as well. Can't wait for the first green flag!
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All of the turbo cars had their boost regulated on every race. NA cars had their intake and refueling restrictor regulated. Last year was one of the few years that Corvette didn't have weight penalties, and when they do get weight penalties I think that hurts them more than the other restrictions as it has more of an impact on the handling setup. (I could be wrong, I'm just an armchair racing fan)
https://competitors.imsa.com/102016/...ical-bulletins
https://competitors.imsa.com/102016/...ical-bulletins
You're referring back to C6R days in your reference to weight penalties. That happened because they were very dominant. Of course, their only competition was Aston Martin, and there were no other serious competitors in the class. GTLM was near death because of no competition.
GTLM is finally healthy again BECAUSE of BOP, and is a major reason there are now 5 fairly competitive manufacturers involved. The Corvettes won a lot of races over the years because they had no competition.
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I never know with you, FI could have been fuel injection and i didn't want to call you out for being a dope 
I'm trying to be more tolerant this year 
that being said, we all know that the chevy engine can put out a lot more HP and torgue than it runs in IMSA, so if BoP were eliminated and the turbo boys were allowed to run amok, the NA guys would too, they wouldn't stay at their current HP and torque.
I'm trying to be more tolerant this year that being said, we all know that the chevy engine can put out a lot more HP and torgue than it runs in IMSA, so if BoP were eliminated and the turbo boys were allowed to run amok, the NA guys would too, they wouldn't stay at their current HP and torque.
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I agree that BOP can be frustrating but it has allowed the continuation (and growth) of GTLM. If Ford's comeback win at Le Mans wouldn't have been so orchestrated they probably wouldn't have received the negative feedback and harsher penalties for the next season. Virtually all the columns/publications ripped their advantages. I also recall watching at RA a few years ago when it was only the #3 and #4 Corvettes in the class, racing themselves. You knew that scenario wouldn't last long! The crashes that take competitors out seem to affect all the teams at some point and are unfortunate. Really frustrating when they seem to be poor choices by some drivers that lead to them, but in the heat of competition and the need to make a quick decision I can understand how it happens. Flagrant/retaliatory moves, however, need to have the appropriate penalties assigned to keep things in control.
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Ford's 2017 problems were not mechanical. BOP turned the boost way down.
I never know with you, FI could have been fuel injection and i didn't want to call you out for being a dope I'm trying to be more tolerant this year
that being said, we all know that the chevy engine can put out a lot more HP and torgue than it runs in IMSA, so if BoP were eliminated and the turbo boys were allowed to run amok, the NA guys would too, they wouldn't stay at their current HP and torque.
I'm trying to be more tolerant this year that being said, we all know that the chevy engine can put out a lot more HP and torgue than it runs in IMSA, so if BoP were eliminated and the turbo boys were allowed to run amok, the NA guys would too, they wouldn't stay at their current HP and torque.
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You're confusing last year w/ 2016. In 2017, they finished 1st, 2nd, and 4th at Daytona, Ferrari was 3rd. Daytona 2016 was their very first race, and the first few were races rocky as one might expect with a new car.
Ford's problems last year were not mechanical. BOP turned the boost way down.
NA can't do much more because of FIA/IMSA restrictions on engine size. All racing series have them, and it has nothing to do w/ BOP. FI has a lot more room to grow because they can do more with less displacement. That's where BOP comes in and dials them back
Ford's problems last year were not mechanical. BOP turned the boost way down.
NA can't do much more because of FIA/IMSA restrictions on engine size. All racing series have them, and it has nothing to do w/ BOP. FI has a lot more room to grow because they can do more with less displacement. That's where BOP comes in and dials them back
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And now that FIA/IMSA, as well as most international racing has become environmentally sensitive, future rules will almost certainly eliminate V8s. We're sure as hell not going to see larger displacement NA engines in FIA/IMSA.
The days of the C7R configuration are numbered, and this could well be it's last year.
The days of the C7R configuration are numbered, and this could well be it's last year.
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You're confusing last year w/ 2016. In 2017, they finished 1st, 2nd, and 4th at Daytona, Ferrari was 3rd. Daytona 2016 was their very first race, and the first few were races rocky as one might expect with a new car. Obviously, by June 2016 @ Lemans they had everything ironed out finishing 1,2, and 4 at the 24. That level of dominance led to a major BOP boost restriction before the next IMSA race, and allowed the C7R to go on an win the manufacturer's championship that year.
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Some pics from last years race at Watkins. You can literally walk right up to the cars while they are working on them. The team is super polite, inviting and grateful. It is a great experience.
Thanx for the great pics showing what's really under the skin of a true racing Corvette.
Secondly, these 2 threads in the Autocross forum are NOT for "advanced members" only in the slightest...they are for anyone interested in these 2 race series.
Corvette Racing:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...rs-please.html
F1 chat:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...at-thread.html
Purpose of me starting this is to get more members involved and interested.It might work here than their?
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Not my ball game..Have to listen to the ump's
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Carry on...