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Wow . . . if something like that surprises you enough to cause you to wreck your car, I don't even know what to say.
There is no momentary interruption of forward motion, it's no different than the cold 1-2 shift, or a leisurely shift into any gear when you're just cruising. Now, it might affect one's rapid shift, but I don't think many rapid shifters do so before 20 mph.
Am I remembering correctly that you don't have or haven't driven a C7? If you haven't you really need to before commenting on whether you think it really is an issue.
There is no momentary interruption of forward motion, it's no different than the cold 1-2 shift, or a leisurely shift into any gear when you're just cruising. Now, it might affect one's rapid shift, but I don't think many rapid shifters do so before 20 mph.
Am I remembering correctly that you don't have or haven't driven a C7? If you haven't you really need to before commenting on whether you think it really is an issue.
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Yeah like when ATC decides to give me a clearance I wasn't expecting? That could just be devastating. 
If that kind of "unexpected event" is enough to cause one to have an accident, they really should have their license revoked.
Then what you don't understand is that it is FAR LESS instrusive on the C7, as Zymurgy said above, and all you have to do is refuse the shift to 4th, and pull it straight back into 2nd just like a normal shift.
If that kind of "unexpected event" is enough to cause one to have an accident, they really should have their license revoked.
Then what you don't understand is that it is FAR LESS instrusive on the C7, as Zymurgy said above, and all you have to do is refuse the shift to 4th, and pull it straight back into 2nd just like a normal shift.
Oh come on. You`re not being honest with yourself.
Something very minor can turn into something very major depending on the circumstances under which it occurs.
You know this is true and in a way its the very essence of many accidents.
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I hope you don't find that out the hard way.
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OK, if you want to turn this completely absurd discussion into one about safety, then the solution is to not shift before 20 mph. There's no good reason to do so.
The act of shifting causes a momentary distraction, and as you know, "something very minor [like shifting] can turn into something very major depending on the circumstances under which it occurs."
I've been in the aviation safety business for 40 years, as well as an accident investigator on many of the world's major accidents during that time period. Thanks for the lesson, maybe I'll send you a copy of one of my books.
The act of shifting causes a momentary distraction, and as you know, "something very minor [like shifting] can turn into something very major depending on the circumstances under which it occurs."
I've been in the aviation safety business for 40 years, as well as an accident investigator on many of the world's major accidents during that time period. Thanks for the lesson, maybe I'll send you a copy of one of my books.
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OK, if you want to turn completely absurd discussion into one about safety, then the solution is to not shift before 20 mph. There's no good reason to do so.
The act of shifting causes a momentary distraction, and as you know, "something very minor [like shifting] can turn into something very major depending on the circumstances under which it occurs.
I've been in the aviation safety business for 40 years, as well as an accident investigator on many of the world's major accidents during that time period. Thanks for the lesson, maybe I'll send you a copy of one of my books.
The act of shifting causes a momentary distraction, and as you know, "something very minor [like shifting] can turn into something very major depending on the circumstances under which it occurs.
I've been in the aviation safety business for 40 years, as well as an accident investigator on many of the world's major accidents during that time period. Thanks for the lesson, maybe I'll send you a copy of one of my books.
Ill PM you my address if your not kidding about the books. I will read them.
BTW, safety and damage is the entire point Jerry and others have been making. You just aren't listening to understand, you are listening to respond. Big difference.
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Even shifting is a small distraction. In my C6 and prior Vettes I installed CAGS Eliminator for convenience. Now with distracted driving I do worry about those behind me not being aware or caring I am there! As I approach a stop light I now look in my mirror and if there is a car coming I slow to a crawl and do not stop forcing them NOT to do what is allowed in SC! You can use a cell phone when the car is stopped-stupid IMO. I have my iPhone set not to receive calls when driving. Funny when I recently landed and wanted to make a call it would not allow it as we were taxiing to the gate! Had to press "It's OK!" I have seen a number of folks looking at their phone as they come to a stop!I have not had an accident with another car in ~60 years of driving but it takes a lot of effort to avoid distracted folks and continue the Luck that has also been a factor. On the twisty section of road into town I have seen cars coming the other way go well over the centerline! Would not be surprised if they were looking at a phone,
Hmm, maybe we can swap books, my latest published in 2015 by CarTech as was the 176 page first has a section on Safety-but that is welding safety!
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I've been listening just fine. I don't think they are valid points with regard to safety in this particular example. Listening to music, changing radio stations, adjusting HVAC, and many other things while operating a vehicle are much more serious distractions, but most manage that just fine.
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Even shifting is a small distraction. I my C6 and prior Vettes I installed CAGS Eliminator for convenience. Now with distracted driving I do worry about those behind me not being aware or caring I am there! As I approach a stop light I now look in my mirror and if there is a car coming I slow to a crawl and do not stop forcing them NOT to do what is allowed in SC! You can use a cell phone when the car is stopped-stupid IMO. I have my iPhone set not to receive calls when driving. Funny when I recently landed and wanted to make a call it would not allow it as we were taxing to the gate! Had to press the "it's OK!" I have seen folks looking at their phone as they come to a stop!I have not had an accident with another car in ~60 years of driving but it takes a lot of effort to avoid folks and continue the Luck that has also been a factor. On the twist section of road into town I have seen cars coming the other way go well over the centerline! Would not be surprised if they were looking at a phone,
Hmm, maybe we can swap books, my latest published in 2015 by CarTech as was the 176 page first has a chapter on Safety-but that is welding safety!
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I've been listening just fine. I don't think they are valid points with regard to safety in this particular example. Listening to music, changing radio stations, adjusting HVAC, and many other things while operating a vehicle are much more serious distractions, but most manage that just fine.
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After giving you the benefit of the doubt for awhile, I remembered the old adage, never wrestle with a pig in the mud, because the pig likes it.
Links below:
https://www.elsevier.com/books/crew-...-0-08-095900-9
Links below:
https://www.elsevier.com/books/crew-...-0-08-095900-9
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I don't know why you would say that. Just because I don't back down when confronted with bs doesn't mean I'm here to cause you or anyone else problems. I'm very easy to get along with and I'm not unreasonable.
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Like everything else, BS is in the mind of the beholder, and I could say the same of you on many occasions. I've never been known to back down either, but at some point these things with you have gotten rather ludicrous.
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I am absolutely fine with admitting when I'm wrong, and sooner or later, it will happen. Just be sure its not over something that's a matter of opinion. This thread, and how cags effects each of us is a matter of opinion.
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