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Old Dec 11, 2021 | 01:10 PM
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Perhaps I phrased it badly. I should have said "all things being equal". Yes, you are right, there are a lot of other things to be considered. That said, between a GM dealer and an independent, I am not sure what else they could offer one way other other that would sway me. Assuming bother are fairly competent, I really don't know what would have that much of an influence between one or the other.

Again true. But I am not sure where else to begin. When I don't understand what it is, I might ask a totally disinterested party to explain. I might ask my buddy who is a mechanic why I am paying for X, Y or Z.

Sucks but at least you are sorting it out.
Thanks for responding. I don't think you phrased it that badly as $$$ is usually the main consideration for taking a position. But as I noted, there's a lot of other considerations. I think of these things when people say women get paid less. Well, perhaps they should ask for more. We know they've been known not to negotiate that hard. The point is just because your an X with Y years of experience it does not follow that therefore all X's with Y years of experience get paid the same. They don't.

I am trying to ask disinterested parties to explain. That's why I'm here. And I've gotten some good advice too. But when the mechanic says "Well technically you only need the one replaced but since we've gone through all the labor we might as well replace the other one too" my first thought is that perhaps that's just trying to take a little more money out of me and I don't really need the other one replaced. But when both the dealer and the independent say the same thing, what am I, the layperson, supposed to think? I guess do them both.

BTW, I don't have any mechanic friends - I have musician friends! But I did discuss it with them too and they shared their experiences and shock at how much I was quoted. Of course, most of them do not own sports cars, etc.

Again thanks for responding and I'm glad you didn't take my comment too negatiively.
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Old Dec 11, 2021 | 01:13 PM
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I recently had the dealer replace my leaking fuel pump in the left tank under warranty.
I voiced concern that I'd rather not have the factory installed drivetrain torn from my car and reinstalled at a dealer to fix the pump and asked if they were aware of another way. (I had previously researched this and knew for myself it was in fact possible)
The dealer admitted they have a mechanic that is able to do the repair in a fraction of the book time by removing the rear facia and a muffler to gain access to release the crossover tube and be able to drop the tank with the entire drivetrain still in the car.
Also, I know for a fact that if your arms aren't too thick it is possible to reach up and pinch the release tangs on the left crossover hose clamp without removing anything at all. Once the clamp is released there is just 1 bolt and a bracket atop the transmission to remove and you can pull the crossover hose out of the tank fitting with nothing but your hand by forcing it back into a S shaped bend. I know this because I tried it out for myself before calling the dealer and was able to release it. It takes some contorting and is uncomfortable, but do-able.

You may want to ask around and find a private mechanic that might be willing to do it using one of these alternative methods and charge you actual time instead of book time. It is not necessary to drop the driveline out of the car if the mechanic is willing to get creative.
Well, the car's at the dealers and as I understand it, already partially taken apart.
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Old Dec 11, 2021 | 03:08 PM
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But when the mechanic says "Well technically you only need the one replaced but since we've gone through all the labor we might as well replace the other one too" my first thought is that perhaps that's just trying to take a little more money out of me and I don't really need the other one replaced. But when both the dealer and the independent say the same thing, what am I, the layperson, supposed to think? I guess do them both.

BTW, I don't have any mechanic friends - I have musician friends! But I did discuss it with them too and they shared their experiences and shock at how much I was quoted. Of course, most of them do not own sports cars, etc.

Again thanks for responding and I'm glad you didn't take my comment too negatiively.
I agree with him with the provision that it doesn't go too far. So say $3000 for the job and to do the other side since we are there is $500, I'm in. another $3000, probably not. Yes, it does pay them a little more but so what? If it fails and it is now a $4000 bill because we have to redo and go further, it sucks. BTDT. Saved a couple bucks here and cried about it later. Again, no 2 situations are the same. It is how risk adverse you are.

So if someone here is a tech, they can look up the book rate. That says what an average mechanic would take to do the job. I have had plenty of experience with mechanics that know a trick to cut the time so they get the job because they bidded lower. Problem is, if that trick fails, you have to be willing to go back in again the right way. To replace the oil pan on a 7.3 Powerstroke, you take the engine out, remove the oil pan, chisel off the remaining "RTV" and clean it off. You then turn the motor upside down, apply a bead of sealant, put the pan on and tighten. Leave for 24 hours and then reinstall the motor. Some have done it without total removal but I have heard of leaks followed by leaks and even more leaks. Some have gotten away with it but there it is. I have had too many issues with it to feel comfortable with a hack. Now if Lingenfelter were to tell me they know a hack, I'm good. They do it all day long and 10 times a week. You get some guy out there with a hack, well, if you want to save a few bucks, go for it. My LPE shortblock is probably recycled by now. I bought cheaper heads and had LPE install them. ALL the valves on the right side were wobbly. Wonder why the spring there broke and the piston killed the valve and vice versa. Now, we pay for an R&R and a new short block with AFR heads JUST LIKE I SHOULD HAVE DONE instead of getting seduced by the low priced TFS Twisted Wedge Heads. Costs more the next time around. So before I simply allow your hack to save money, I need to be relatively certain it won't cost me more in the long run.

I didn't take it negatively AT ALL.
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Old Dec 15, 2021 | 10:15 PM
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Well, the job is done and the dealer charged what he originally quoted (~$5600). However, he did take photos of the rodent damage and I'm filing a claim now. Hopefully my insurance will cover some or all of this.
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Well, the job is done and the dealer charged what he originally quoted (~$5600). However, he did take photos of the rodent damage and I'm filing a claim now. Hopefully my insurance will cover some or all of this.
Buy a rodent trap or a mean cat to guard the car!

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Old Dec 16, 2021 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by The Successful Plumber
My wife would divorce me if I told her we have to spend $5600 dollars to replace the fuel pump in the Vette. This is enough to make me want to sell it.
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Old Dec 16, 2021 | 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ManiacCop5
This is correct. I had the same repair done under warrantee on my 2019 GS.

The Vette tech is a female and she was able to remove the rear fascia and reach the pump area from behind the car. This allowed her to do the repair in a fraction of the normal time.

It took almost 6 weeks for the part to come in (this was during the pandemic shut down) but once it did she had it fixed in half a day.
I have heard this as well (that if the tech has a small/skinny arm, this repair is much less labor intensive).
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Old Dec 16, 2021 | 09:13 AM
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Wow, just read the entire thread. That is an expensive repair. Happy you got it sorted out, but begs the question if you bought the parts + tools and your time, could you have done it over the course of a couple weeks. Some of us have time, others have money and a few have both. We each decide to spend these assets how we see fit, but for $5,600 for a problem that could pop up again in 6 months, (wasnt induced by high miles or something lile that) I personal would have learned how to do the repair myself.

Good to hear you're able to enjoy the car again. Stay safe out there.
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Originally Posted by DGA3
I have heard this as well (that if the tech has a small/skinny arm, this repair is much less labor intensive).
Maybe but how does it benefit me? I'm still paying flat rate. 1 hours or 6 on a 4 hour job does not mean anything to me. I pay for 4 because that is book time. Most shops I have seen here go off flat rate. Those that don't have either cut steps to be competitive or found a hack that cuts time but increases the chances of me finding out a while later that they broke something and tried to cover it up. I've had that in car repairs, home improvements, landscaping, etc. Kinda why I go off flat rate and if you're too low from the average, I'll pass.
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Originally Posted by Dennis Bernal
Wow, just read the entire thread. That is an expensive repair. Happy you got it sorted out, but begs the question if you bought the parts + tools and your time, could you have done it over the course of a couple weeks. Some of us have time, others have money and a few have both. We each decide to spend these assets how we see fit, but for $5,600 for a problem that could pop up again in 6 months, (wasnt induced by high miles or something lile that) I personal would have learned how to do the repair myself.

Good to hear you're able to enjoy the car again. Stay safe out there.
10 years I stored my RV at the same yard. Never had a problem. One year, mice came visiting. Several years down the road, no problems yet. If it happens again, maybe something needs to be done. Till I see it often enough, I would personally be willing to believe it is a fluke.
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lmao same issue happened to me (Los Angeles, CA). my c7 grand sport felt weird so I took it to the shop when the check engine light came on.
I told the maintenance rep that I could smell fuel. They did a gas test and found out both fuel pump and cylonoid were cracked.
Fuel pump cost $6500 + parts + tax.
But ya know what? The fuel pump is apparently covered under warranty.
Previously they said it wasn't and was going to charge me the whole shabang.
Husband read the entire manual, warranty book, etc. and had to call Chevy, dealer, service, warranty over and over again until they admitted they were wrong.
Dropped it off last week Friday 4.14.23 (Felix DTLA) with the parts.
It's Thursday 4.20.23 no news yet..................................... .... still waiting to get it back.
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