Blown Engine
Pro
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From: Freedom PA
"The preponderance of evidence," Is all that you need in a civil action.
Ed
Tech Contributor
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From: Saint Louis MO
St. Jude Donor '14-'15
Ugh... RI is much worse - it goes through an arbitration board and essentially turns into a legal battle almost immediately.
There's also no specific wording of days in repair, etc. Only that the same problem must be repaired 4 times unsuccessfully...
Not easy next to CT's law...
There's also no specific wording of days in repair, etc. Only that the same problem must be repaired 4 times unsuccessfully...
Not easy next to CT's law...
Navigator
Joined: May 2014
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From: California
This is making Me VERY NERVOUS ..... My car just out of nowhere at 2600 something miles returning from Bloomington Gold started this clunking/poping noise at around 2500-3000 rpms. OnStar did a diagnostics and found nothing! OnStar recommended taking it to the Dealer. My Dealer is now tearing the motor down to find out what the noise is ...
Who knows how long that will take and if it will ever be the same?
This is not good
Who knows how long that will take and if it will ever be the same?
This is not good
As for the other guy with the first motor lost, I'd be screaming, which does no good, but, it's fun. The dealer isn't going to do anything to help they already have your money!
GM on both of these should either replace the motor or the complete car and it should be the customer's choice. It won't happen, but you can hope.
I may just keep my 08 Z06 a few more years - it runs and still looks great
Melting Slicks
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,534
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From: Columbia, SC
So on my way home last night [6/2] around 7:30p. Driving with traffic 70 / 75, high speed lane, giving I gas, no response. I was in manual mode so I shifted to 4th, still no accel, moved over to the middle lane and felt some serious bucking (almost felt like I was riding over rumble strips). Still tried to give it gas, no luck. Saw some white smoke pouring out of the drivers side front tire, first thought was crap flat tire, then crap maybe it's shredded (although as I was thinking, well that doesn't seem right for run flats but maybe i'm way off). The smoke continued to pour out as I moved over to the breakdown lane. Looked in the rearview and couldn't see anything across all 6 lanes of the highway (3 lanes north, 3 lanes south), complete white out. In this mayhem, a vehicle behind me crashed into the guardrail :/ (luckily he's ok sustained minor injuries and was sent off to the hospital, I didn't speak to the gentleman as I was preoccupied with on-star and figured I was the last person in the world he'd want to see). Rear of my car, covered in oil. Oil was leaking from the front end under the drivers side. The initial diagnostics said intake manifold failed (On-Star diagnostic). Anyways, tow truck guy showed up a little before 9 (left show around 7:30). He tried to turn it on, it wouldn't turn over, made an absolute racket (slightly concerned that I now have a wicked serious issue). Car is now sitting in the parking lot of the dealership.
Side note, was @ the dealership 4/28 getting the radiator replaced.
Vin#: 06631
Miles: 2,600
6/3: Update: Hole in the block, located passengers side under the headers. Can't be seen from above, no further information at this time. Root Cause: TBD
6/5: Update: Working with GM, team will be evaluating the vehicle.
Side note, was @ the dealership 4/28 getting the radiator replaced.
Vin#: 06631
Miles: 2,600
6/3: Update: Hole in the block, located passengers side under the headers. Can't be seen from above, no further information at this time. Root Cause: TBD
6/5: Update: Working with GM, team will be evaluating the vehicle.
Melting Slicks
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Wow, people that get it. One of the best explanations I've seen.
As soon as you modify outside any of the GMs validates ranges, including adding power, anything drivetrain related should is an easy warranty denial. If it was a drop in filter replacement, no problem, MMA works to protect you. Adding a CAI system, nope.
Now if your radio, or adjustment on a seat breaks, then you still have warranty since they can't void the whole thing, but they can deny any power train warranty work for any added power.
As soon as you modify outside any of the GMs validates ranges, including adding power, anything drivetrain related should is an easy warranty denial. If it was a drop in filter replacement, no problem, MMA works to protect you. Adding a CAI system, nope.
Now if your radio, or adjustment on a seat breaks, then you still have warranty since they can't void the whole thing, but they can deny any power train warranty work for any added power.
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Instructor
Joined: Dec 2013
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From: Enfield CT
leaking. Found drops of radiator fluid on my garage floor. Noticed it one day, cleaned it up and didn't think much of it (dime size drop), noticed it a few weeks later and now it was a quarter size drop. Jacked up the car and could see the fluid was coming from the lower corner of the radiator passengers side.
Appears to be an issue on many 3k VIN #'s, at least on another forums many have complained, with a few here and there complaining on other VIN's.
Appears to be an issue on many 3k VIN #'s, at least on another forums many have complained, with a few here and there complaining on other VIN's.
Melting Slicks
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,534
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From: Columbia, SC
leaking. Found drops of radiator fluid on my garage floor. Noticed it one day, cleaned it up and didn't think much of it (dime size drop), noticed it a few weeks later and now it was a quarter size drop. Jacked up the car and could see the fluid was coming from the lower corner of the radiator passengers side.
Appears to be an issue on many 3k VIN #'s, at least on another forums many have complained, with a few here and there complaining on other VIN's.
Appears to be an issue on many 3k VIN #'s, at least on another forums many have complained, with a few here and there complaining on other VIN's.
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From: Haymarket VA
This is sad to hear, another motor gone. This is the reason I won't buy a first year car, to many issues. Most will get ironed out later, in about 2 years. GM is in the toilet again and they continue passing it on to the customers, not good!
As for the other guy with the first motor lost, I'd be screaming, which does no good, but, it's fun. The dealer isn't going to do anything to help they already have your money!
GM on both of these should either replace the motor or the complete car and it should be the customer's choice. It won't happen, but you can hope.
I may just keep my 08 Z06 a few more years - it runs and still looks great
As for the other guy with the first motor lost, I'd be screaming, which does no good, but, it's fun. The dealer isn't going to do anything to help they already have your money!
GM on both of these should either replace the motor or the complete car and it should be the customer's choice. It won't happen, but you can hope.
I may just keep my 08 Z06 a few more years - it runs and still looks great
Burning Brakes
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 750
Likes: 297
From: Central MO
#8 Main Bearing spun due to lack of oil but motor was full of Oil?
Now GM wants to Fix it?
Motor Needs:
At Least 2 New Main Bearings.
2-New Rods.
1-New Piston.
New Oil Pump
Engine Block Sent To Machine Shop To Get Machined.
I now have the taste of lemons in My mouth from GM and can only assume that My car will be back in the shop soon after this with all the metal that is probably still left in the motor. I guess We will see.
Now GM wants to Fix it?
Motor Needs:
At Least 2 New Main Bearings.
2-New Rods.
1-New Piston.
New Oil Pump
Engine Block Sent To Machine Shop To Get Machined.
I now have the taste of lemons in My mouth from GM and can only assume that My car will be back in the shop soon after this with all the metal that is probably still left in the motor. I guess We will see.
Tech Contributor
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,761
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From: Saint Louis MO
St. Jude Donor '14-'15
#8 Main Bearing spun due to lack of oil but motor was full of Oil?
Now GM wants to Fix it?
Motor Needs:
At Least 2 New Main Bearings.
2-New Rods.
1-New Piston.
New Oil Pump
Engine Block Sent To Machine Shop To Get Machined.
I now have the taste of lemons in My mouth from GM and can only assume that My car will be back in the shop soon after this with all the metal that is probably still left in the motor. I guess We will see.
Now GM wants to Fix it?
Motor Needs:
At Least 2 New Main Bearings.
2-New Rods.
1-New Piston.
New Oil Pump
Engine Block Sent To Machine Shop To Get Machined.
I now have the taste of lemons in My mouth from GM and can only assume that My car will be back in the shop soon after this with all the metal that is probably still left in the motor. I guess We will see.
Pro
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 629
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From: Freedom PA
#8 Main Bearing spun due to lack of oil but motor was full of Oil?
Now GM wants to Fix it?
Motor Needs:
At Least 2 New Main Bearings.
2-New Rods.
1-New Piston.
New Oil Pump
Engine Block Sent To Machine Shop To Get Machined.
I now have the taste of lemons in My mouth from GM and can only assume that My car will be back in the shop soon after this with all the metal that is probably still left in the motor. I guess We will see.
Now GM wants to Fix it?
Motor Needs:
At Least 2 New Main Bearings.
2-New Rods.
1-New Piston.
New Oil Pump
Engine Block Sent To Machine Shop To Get Machined.
I now have the taste of lemons in My mouth from GM and can only assume that My car will be back in the shop soon after this with all the metal that is probably still left in the motor. I guess We will see.
There is no #8 main bearing. There are only 5.
obviously oil pump was cause of failure since it's being replaced.
With such a catastrophic failure the cam, cam bearings and lifters should also be replaced.
No way should you accept a rebuild of a blown engine in a new car.
A new car would be a far reach, but I don't understand why they would rebuild it.
Scream at the top of your lungs for a new engine.
Ed
Last edited by Old Yellow; Jul 9, 2014 at 08:01 PM.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Apr 2014
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From: Central MO
Couple of questions here.
There is no #8 main bearing. There are only 5.
obviously oil pump was cause of failure since it's being replaced.
With such a catastrophic failure the cam, cam bearings and lifters should also be replaced.
No way should you accept a rebuild of a blown engine in a new car.
A new car would be a far reach, but I don't understand why they would rebuild it.
Scream at the top of your lungs for a replacement engine.
Ed
There is no #8 main bearing. There are only 5.
obviously oil pump was cause of failure since it's being replaced.
With such a catastrophic failure the cam, cam bearings and lifters should also be replaced.
No way should you accept a rebuild of a blown engine in a new car.
A new car would be a far reach, but I don't understand why they would rebuild it.
Scream at the top of your lungs for a replacement engine.
Ed
Tech Contributor
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 4,761
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From: Saint Louis MO
St. Jude Donor '14-'15
Couple of questions here.
There is no #8 main bearing. There are only 5.
obviously oil pump was cause of failure since it's being replaced.
With such a catastrophic failure the cam, cam bearings and lifters should also be replaced.
No way should you accept a rebuild of a blown engine in a new car.
A new car would be a far reach, but I don't understand why they would rebuild it.
Scream at the top of your lungs for a replacement engine.
Ed
At 2600mi, you should not have a rebuilt engine unless you're doing it on purpose (like myself). I would absolutely demand a new engine based on the additional parts that may have failed or been damaged that are not on that list, as previously mentioned. I don't think that's unreasonable at all..
Tech Contributor
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From: Saint Louis MO
St. Jude Donor '14-'15
I would escalate this to Chevy Customer Service to get a claims team on it. The regional manager doesn't have final say.
Safety Car
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Although I am generally not in favor of fraud when that rebuilt POS is returned to you drain most of the oil, rev the hell out of it until it seizes, put oil back in and have it sent back to GM on a flat bed. There is no way in hell they should be sticking a customer with a dealer rebuilt engine that had catastrophic failure due to an oiling issue at such low mileage.
If this were an out of warranty engine on your dime how many of you would go for a partial rebuild versus buying a new crate or completely rebuilt engine. After that sort of failure I certainly wouldn't want something that had been through a partial rebuild.
If the corporate strategy is to offset some of the recall costs by cutting warranty expense through shorting legitimate claims then the negative PR will put a big nail in the coffin and deservedly so.
If this were an out of warranty engine on your dime how many of you would go for a partial rebuild versus buying a new crate or completely rebuilt engine. After that sort of failure I certainly wouldn't want something that had been through a partial rebuild.
If the corporate strategy is to offset some of the recall costs by cutting warranty expense through shorting legitimate claims then the negative PR will put a big nail in the coffin and deservedly so.
Last edited by NSC5; Jul 9, 2014 at 08:14 PM.
Burning Brakes
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From: Central MO
I am 100% with Ed on this. You shouldn't expect a new car, but you damn well deserve a new engine since the oil pump crapped out essentially right away.
At 2600mi, you should not have a rebuilt engine unless you're doing it on purpose (like myself). I would absolutely demand a new engine based on the additional parts that may have failed or been damaged that are not on that list, as previously mentioned. I don't think that's unreasonable at all..
At 2600mi, you should not have a rebuilt engine unless you're doing it on purpose (like myself). I would absolutely demand a new engine based on the additional parts that may have failed or been damaged that are not on that list, as previously mentioned. I don't think that's unreasonable at all..
Safety Car
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From: Bucks County PA
They should give you a brand new engine.
If not, tell them you want to dyno the engine and make sure it is 100% and you want a lifetime warranty on the engine for as long as you own the car.
Pro
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From: Freedom PA
Ed
Pro
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From: Freedom PA
You may as well start an executive carpet bomb. Start at this link and send your info to someone with real authority. Forget about customer service.http://executivebomb.com/index.html
Ed
Ed
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-g...ns-thread.html
This is making me mad as hell.
Ed