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Old Oct 28, 2015 | 11:41 AM
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Check that. It is a vvt cam which means heads don't have to come off for the install. The package also includes a cold air intake and a 160 stat. $5400 isn't a bad price. It's about 10% higher than you could get at some mom and pop shop that won't stand behind their work.
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SquatchMachining
Overpriced for a cam/header swap.. There isn't $3000 in parts there. Day of labor, even at $100 an hour is 800-1000 (and it doesn't take longer than that to do it, especially if the shop has done it several times already) So lets be generous and say $4000. Figure a tune at about $500, which is fair for a cam only car... and you are at $4500 on the high side.


My opinion is that this is really overpriced by about a grand.
You've obviously never worked on a gen v engine
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by OD3G
You've obviously never worked on a gen v engine
Yeah?
I have done both a vette and a 2015 Sierra... Both 6.2 Gen V..

Vette originally had heads, cam, blower, exhaust.. Now has a forged bottom end with the above mentioned. All assembly and machine work done by myself..

The Sierra is a heads, cam, blower, exhaust on a still stock bottom end.

Don't assume that just because someone disagrees with a price that they are not well educated. You should assume the other, perhaps they actually know what they are doing... The Gen V is only harder to work on because the oil pan has to come off due to the lack of gaskets. Aside from that the differences are negligible and it's not that much more time consuming.

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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:17 PM
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We have alot of the same kits at less price. nice to not have the Big city overhang pricing.

here is a few of ours kits

http://www.easttexasmusclecars.com/p...gine-packages/

if you look at the stg 5 kits that is the blowers AND headers/x pipe, installed and tuned and most are under 8K.


also cam kit
headers
cai installed and tune

We have a C7 coming in for a stg 6+ next week we will be posting up it soon.

pistons
rods
blower
heads
cam
all kinds of goodies and he spent under 15K.

if you dont want to make a drive out of town to another shop, you cant go wrong with 21st. They are a good group of guys.

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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by East Tx Muscle Cars
We have alot of the same kits at less price. nice to not have the Big city overhang pricing.

here is a few of ours kits

http://www.easttexasmusclecars.com/p...gine-packages/

if you look at the stg 5 kits that is the blowers AND headers/x pipe, installed and tuned and most are under 8K.


also cam kit
headers
cai installed and tune

We have a C7 coming in for a stg 6+ next week we will be posting up it soon.

pistons
rods
blower
heads
cam
all kinds of goodies and he spent under 15K.

if you dont want to make a drive out of town to another shop, you cant go wrong with 21st. They are a good group of guys.
"Stage 3" looks to be similar to the 21st kit. What's the price?
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:28 PM
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heres a quote I recently received:

Part: Camshaft Package (Basic)
Custom GEN 5 COMP Camshaft (with increased fuel lobe)
Dual Valve Springs
Titanium Retainers
Locks
Hardened Chromoly Pushrods
Camshaft Swap Gasket Kit
OEM Harmonic Balancer Bolt
1 899.99 899.99T
Part:C5R Timing Chain
C5R Timing Chain
1 99.99 99.99T
Part:Katech GEN 5 AFM Delete Valley Cover
AFM/DOD Delete Valley Cover by Katech
1 399.99 399.99T
Part:Morel Hydraulic Drop In Lifters
Replacement Hydraulic Lifters by Morel
1 220.00 220.00T
Services:GEN 5 LT1/LT4 CNC Cylinder Head
Porting/Polishing/Surfacing
Dis-Assembly of Cylinder Heads
Starting Inspection
"Full Race" CNC Cylinder Port
CNC Valve Job
Hand Port
Polishing
Surfacing
Flow Testing
Final Inspection
Re-Assembly of Cylinder Heads
1 1,500.00 1,500.00
ACTIVITY QTY RATE AMOUNT
Shop Labor
Vehicle Pre Package Inspection
Install Camshaft Package
Removal of Cylinder Heads
Install AFM/DOD Valley Cover
Install Morel Lifters
Installation of Cylinder Heads
Vehicle Post Package Inspection
15 100.00 1,500.00
Shop Labor:Shop Supplies
Shop Supplies used during install.
15 1.25 18.75
Services:Synthetic Oil Change w/ Filter
Synthetic Mobil 1 Oil change with WiX Filter.
1 79.99 79.99
Services:Coolant Change
DexCool Coolant Change
1 29.99 29.99
Services:Custom Dyno Tune w/ Video
Performance Dyno Tune with Video Recording for Customer
1 600.00 600.00
SUBTOTAL 5,348.70
TAX (8.25%) 133.65
TOTAL $5,482.35

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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sycraft
heres a quote I recently received:

Part: Camshaft Package (Basic)
Custom GEN 5 COMP Camshaft (with increased fuel lobe)
Dual Valve Springs
Titanium Retainers
Locks
Hardened Chromoly Pushrods
Camshaft Swap Gasket Kit
OEM Harmonic Balancer Bolt
1 899.99 899.99T
Part:C5R Timing Chain
C5R Timing Chain
1 99.99 99.99T
Part:Katech GEN 5 AFM Delete Valley Cover
AFM/DOD Delete Valley Cover by Katech
1 399.99 399.99T
Part:Morel Hydraulic Drop In Lifters
Replacement Hydraulic Lifters by Morel
1 220.00 220.00T
Services:GEN 5 LT1/LT4 CNC Cylinder Head
Porting/Polishing/Surfacing
Dis-Assembly of Cylinder Heads
Starting Inspection
"Full Race" CNC Cylinder Port
CNC Valve Job
Hand Port
Polishing
Surfacing
Flow Testing
Final Inspection
Re-Assembly of Cylinder Heads
1 1,500.00 1,500.00
ACTIVITY QTY RATE AMOUNT
Shop Labor
Vehicle Pre Package Inspection
Install Camshaft Package
Removal of Cylinder Heads
Install AFM/DOD Valley Cover
Install Morel Lifters
Installation of Cylinder Heads
Vehicle Post Package Inspection
15 100.00 1,500.00
Shop Labor:Shop Supplies
Shop Supplies used during install.
15 1.25 18.75
Services:Synthetic Oil Change w/ Filter
Synthetic Mobil 1 Oil change with WiX Filter.
1 79.99 79.99
Services:Coolant Change
DexCool Coolant Change
1 29.99 29.99
Services:Custom Dyno Tune w/ Video
Performance Dyno Tune with Video Recording for Customer
1 600.00 600.00
SUBTOTAL 5,348.70
TAX (8.25%) 133.65
TOTAL $5,482.35
What kind of numbers is this package thought to make? I need a few more mph's for the straights at COTA.

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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by silky1
"Stage 3" looks to be similar to the 21st kit. What's the price?
depends on header brand, but that ranges from 4600-5200 ish area
We sell the TSP headers with our kits and that is around 4900 installed with TSP headers, and a CAI
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:36 PM
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with my current headers and E85 conversion, they said to expect 550 plus at the wheels....
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:39 PM
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Nice. I'm looking for 485-500. Nothing crazy, I still want the car to be civil.
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:42 PM
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I am at 472 hp/ 480tq now, no cam and no head work, so it is possible with out this expense. TSP headers, intake and E85 are the main components
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sycraft
with my current headers and E85 conversion, they said to expect 550 plus at the wheels....
for the same price we could put a blower on the car and you could run just 93 oct and not get worse MPG and have 600 RWHP. The heads and cam will drop the MPG and e85 will too. Also you may want to drice the car somewhere else in the state and ALOT of places dont have e85 so dont get stuck where you cant get it and HAVE to have it.
it has its +s but it also has -s
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sycraft
I am at 472 hp/ 480tq now, no cam and no head work, so it is possible with out this expense. TSP headers, intake and E85 are the main components
Thanks for the info. I might have to look into E85. HP when you need it.
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by silky1
Nice. I'm looking for 485-500. Nothing crazy, I still want the car to be civil.
just put you a SC kit on it and put it at 5PSI and you will still be over 500RWHP and have a fun little dependable car, good MPG, drives like stock untill you floor it
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no to FI, I track the car, also I am flex fuel capable, so I can run 93 or E85, no issues. E85 is safer on the track too. last car was FI, fun, but want power made the natural way, not looking for a high number
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Old Oct 29, 2015 | 11:57 PM
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we have lots of customer that track there cars HARD with FI and 93 oct fuel and no issues. there not lookig for high numbers either, there looking for power they can use. if you built it up right with the right combo its a awesome way to go. Just got to do the combo right. one of out c6s we built took first place in a few of the optima races around the US last year with a centri blower on it. didnt have it turned through the roof, just had it all setup right

anyways to each his own! just giving other options was all!:-)
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Old Oct 30, 2015 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SquatchMachining
Yeah?
I have done both a vette and a 2015 Sierra... Both 6.2 Gen V..

Vette originally had heads, cam, blower, exhaust.. Now has a forged bottom end with the above mentioned. All assembly and machine work done by myself..

The Sierra is a heads, cam, blower, exhaust on a still stock bottom end.

Don't assume that just because someone disagrees with a price that they are not well educated. You should assume the other, perhaps they actually know what they are doing... The Gen V is only harder to work on because the oil pan has to come off due to the lack of gaskets. Aside from that the differences are negligible and it's not that much more time consuming.


Yes, having to clean/prep all mating surfaces for silicone, pull heads to delete DOD, install cam phaser, removing oil pan. Hardly any more time involved than an LS cam swap
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Old Oct 30, 2015 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by OD3G


Yes, having to clean/prep all mating surfaces for silicone, pull heads to delete DOD, install cam phaser, removing oil pan. Hardly any more time involved than an LS cam swap
Not everyone works like a snail..... It's 3 or less extra hours of work. Pulling the heads is a joke at that point. I've done this on my personal vehicles and half a dozen other gen Vs at this point.


If you want to think that that is a good deal for the work being done that is fine you feel free to pay someone that me personally I think it's about $1000 high based on my experience and what I charge to do work when I choose to leave the machine shop and actually turn a wrench on a customers car.
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Old Oct 30, 2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sycraft
with my current headers and E85 conversion, they said to expect 550 plus at the wheels....
That's where I ended up with a similar setup so it's accurate. Sounds great and pulls hard. An amazing amount of power for remaining NA. I had previous FI builds and wanted to stay all motor (at least for now) and have no regrets.
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Old Oct 30, 2015 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by East Tx Muscle Cars
We have alot of the same kits at less price. nice to not have the Big city overhang pricing.

here is a few of ours kits

http://www.easttexasmusclecars.com/p...gine-packages/

if you look at the stg 5 kits that is the blowers AND headers/x pipe, installed and tuned and most are under 8K.


also cam kit
headers
cai installed and tune

We have a C7 coming in for a stg 6+ next week we will be posting up it soon.

pistons
rods
blower
heads
cam
all kinds of goodies and he spent under 15K.

if you dont want to make a drive out of town to another shop, you cant go wrong with 21st. They are a good group of guys.
Thanks for the heads up.

I have family I could stay with out in Bullard Texas which would make it a little easier to use you.
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