Corsa X-pipe install
Safety Car
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Wait. They cut your NEW corsa X-pipe and installed the oem cats on it!? Ahhhhhhhhhhh! Holy crap. I'd punch those clowns in the face. The fact that you trusted them with your ride.. yikes. I'd stay far, far away from that shop. Please post the name and location so others know not to go there. Hopefully you at the very least, left a google review with the info you posted here. I've never heard of anything like that.
I'm laughing pretty good at the internet attorneys on here.
Yes! I'm sure the dumbass techs were working about the shop's legal liability from the EPA 
I'm laughing pretty good at the internet attorneys on here.
Yes! I'm sure the dumbass techs were working about the shop's legal liability from the EPA
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Heel & Toe
Joined: Apr 2017
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From: Maryland
That's exactly what happened, if they gave details about the process they were going to do I would not have bothered.
Yes the internet trolls / lawyers are among us , I will post further once this is resolved. I have removed the butcherd new corsa and ordered another that I will put on myself. Of course I took the high road and contacted my bank, stay tuned.
Yes the internet trolls / lawyers are among us , I will post further once this is resolved. I have removed the butcherd new corsa and ordered another that I will put on myself. Of course I took the high road and contacted my bank, stay tuned.
Pro
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It is no longer legal to sell or ship exhaust items that remove cats to California/Arizona/Nevada for any purposes and many manufacturers have discontinued catless exhaust products entirely.
The only way around this is to have an unregistered race car that never sees the streets.
Last edited by subieworx; Aug 30, 2019 at 12:15 PM.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Maryland
I will make it short ,,the vette is not catless,,I am not in California,,and yes I have one shipped,,and first point is the seller should say this up front to the customer,,no excuses.
Last edited by ssmith751827; Aug 30, 2019 at 12:50 PM.
Instructor
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From: Hampton Roads, VA
You clearly are unaware of what is going on with the aftermarket currently. EPA is coming down hard on aftermarket products companies and shops all over the country. I have owned an aftermarket shop for 15 years and it is to the point where we get calls and emails fishing for cat removal violations. I personally know 6 shop owners who have all been fined >$50k by EPA for selling parts that remove cats and/or installing parts that remove cats in the last year. And that is being nice as they can go back through your records and fine the company $10k for every recorded item where a catless exhaust was installed or a catless exhaust product was sold.
It is no longer legal to sell or ship exhaust items that remove cats to California/Arizona/Nevada for any purposes and many manufacturers have discontinued catless exhaust products entirely.
The only way around this is to have an unregistered race car that never sees the streets.
It is no longer legal to sell or ship exhaust items that remove cats to California/Arizona/Nevada for any purposes and many manufacturers have discontinued catless exhaust products entirely.
The only way around this is to have an unregistered race car that never sees the streets.
That being said, there are obviously shops around that will slap on a catless X pipe for you, and there are shops that won't. I have encountered both. The owner of the shop that said he wouldn't do the work did say that he knew of other auto shops in the area that had been fined. And for a small business, a 10 or 20 grand fine can be devastating. It's just not worth the risk for them.
So, you can call around until you find a shop that will do it, or do it yourself.
I think the chances of the federal government coming after, or fining, individuals for removing their own cats is zero.
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Hampton Roads, VA
They definitely should have told you before they did that, so you could have retrieved your pipe.
I'm not sure they are going to reimburse you, and it's probably not worth a civil suit, but I would definitely have a conversation with the owner/manager.
There would be no reason to buy that pipe if you wanted it cut in two, and the tech that did it should have known that.
Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
I'm not trying to be funny, but technically they did it legally. You should've told them you wanted it installed without the cats. That's what I did. I understand what your saying, even though its legal, I don't agree with what they done. You should have been warned.
Last edited by phantom1; Sep 2, 2019 at 11:05 PM.
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Heel & Toe
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From: Maryland
The recipt states to return the OEM to the customer,,that being said I am not concerned about reimbursement that is in the process, I have been in many of courts in my time and have never lost a civil suit. Lesson learned that business is business and a customer has rights, I will install my new pipe myself just thought that while I was at Carlisle I would support the locals. Just a thought of how many others may not realize that they may not have gotten what they paid for and not know it.
Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
The shop I went to would not give a receipt, only if the car is towed in without plates. Most of the shops aren't going to risk being fined and paying thousands of dollars just to make a few hundred dollars.
Hate the game not the player.
Hate the game not the player.
Last edited by phantom1; Sep 2, 2019 at 11:07 PM.
Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
I understand that. If its a license vendor and it sounds like they are if they gave you a legitimate receipt to cover there asset, they can be fined as well, If not I would raise hell.
Last edited by phantom1; Aug 30, 2019 at 08:28 PM.
Pro
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From: Machesney Park IL
I can understand being upset about it, but to act like they should have told you they were not breaking the law is a stretch.
Why did you not ask them of they would do the install illegally?
Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
I get your point. They should've at least mentioned they where going to cut up your oem pipe and modify the new one, and give you the option to buy it or not. They must know that was redundant. Even though they made it street legal. They sold you a item you did not ask for. I say you have a legitimate case.
Pro
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From: Machesney Park IL
The installer is under legal obligation to install as per the law, not per customer unstated request to not install the secondary cats.
Burning Brakes
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From: NJ
Explain please. Wanted an x-pipe installed and it was done. What was sold which was not asked for? You cannot say putting the cats on was not asked for because it is a legal requirement.
The installer is under legal obligation to install as per the law, not per customer unstated request to not install the secondary cats.
The installer is under legal obligation to install as per the law, not per customer unstated request to not install the secondary cats.
Last edited by phantom1; Sep 3, 2019 at 12:18 AM.