Rumor has it 2015 Z06 (Z07 Package) is sub 7:08 at Ring
01-14-2014, 10:24 PM
#21
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This does make sense on most tracks but it doesn't make sense at the Ring. A large part of the ring is the straight away at the very end of it. It's very long and you're on it for a while. I bet the Z07 with all the aero doesn't accelerate (100+mph) as hard as the ZR1 or end up going as fast on that straight. It makes a huge difference on the time. I'm guessing this thing just beats the ZR1 and comes in around ~7:15.
But I hope you're right!!!
Best,
Gene
But I hope you're right!!!
Best,
Gene
01-14-2014, 10:26 PM
#22
Melting Slicks
No chance they have run it there yet.If they want to get to a 7:08 or better they are going to have to go all in and rent the track, do tons of timed laps, and use a pro driver that has had time to get use to the car. Not just make one or 2 timed laps like they did the last time they had the ZR1 and Z07 out at the Ring. Both of those cars could have run faster times with a test program like Nissan uses.
01-14-2014, 10:33 PM
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The Z is already beating the ZR1 around Milford which is a short course. When you multiply a 1 - 2 second improvement like that (maybe more), over a 14 mile course like Ring, shaving 10 - 15 seconds is very doable. I mean, look at the Z...the grip and downforce is going to be ridiculous.
While it might seem crazy to compare the Z to these hybrid-hypercars, it needs to be noted that the power from these cars are derived from adding up the totals for both systems. It's not like they are 900 hp combustion engines alone and they aren't running 900 hp at once.
A big reason for the hybrid systems is to fill torque gaps, which these high-revving motors do not have. However, the Z has torque in spades. Not to mention, cars like the P1 couldn't even do a full lap at the Ring without the battery depleting so these kinds of systems are not giving the car the full benefit all of the time.
I think if you really evaluate the Z, it's going to lay down some ridiculous times. I would not be surprised to see it go near 7:05. It's going to be closer than people think to these hybrid-hypercars.
While it might seem crazy to compare the Z to these hybrid-hypercars, it needs to be noted that the power from these cars are derived from adding up the totals for both systems. It's not like they are 900 hp combustion engines alone and they aren't running 900 hp at once.
A big reason for the hybrid systems is to fill torque gaps, which these high-revving motors do not have. However, the Z has torque in spades. Not to mention, cars like the P1 couldn't even do a full lap at the Ring without the battery depleting so these kinds of systems are not giving the car the full benefit all of the time.
I think if you really evaluate the Z, it's going to lay down some ridiculous times. I would not be surprised to see it go near 7:05. It's going to be closer than people think to these hybrid-hypercars.
And Ferrari has not said a word about La Ferrari time at the ring.
01-14-2014, 10:50 PM
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I know, and that's my point. McLaren didn't do anything until they prove it. They posted 7:04 and faded from the contest after that. McLaren was the one that said they were going to set records before all of this started and they backed out. Porsche backed it up. Ferrari could care less about a Ring time so we'll probably never see one.
01-14-2014, 10:52 PM
#26
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BTW, Tadge confirmed what I said in his Q&A today on Jalopnik:
Q: I noticed the Nürburgring in the background, what was the lap time?
A: We won't know for a year. Development has just started and the 'Ring is the last place we go.
So I wish people like the OP would stop creating crap threads like this. There is no "rumor", you just want to act like you know something. Yes, you're that guy.
Q: I noticed the Nürburgring in the background, what was the lap time?
A: We won't know for a year. Development has just started and the 'Ring is the last place we go.
So I wish people like the OP would stop creating crap threads like this. There is no "rumor", you just want to act like you know something. Yes, you're that guy.
01-14-2014, 10:58 PM
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I know, and that's my point. McLaren didn't do anything until they prove it. They posted 7:04 and faded from the contest after that. McLaren was the one that said they were going to set records before all of this started and they backed out. Porsche backed it up. Ferrari could care less about a Ring time so we'll probably never see one.
01-15-2014, 02:14 PM
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BTW, Tadge confirmed what I said in his Q&A today on Jalopnik:
Q: I noticed the Nürburgring in the background, what was the lap time?
A: We won't know for a year. Development has just started and the 'Ring is the last place we go.
So I wish people like the OP would stop creating crap threads like this. There is no "rumor", you just want to act like you know something. Yes, you're that guy.
Q: I noticed the Nürburgring in the background, what was the lap time?
A: We won't know for a year. Development has just started and the 'Ring is the last place we go.
So I wish people like the OP would stop creating crap threads like this. There is no "rumor", you just want to act like you know something. Yes, you're that guy.
01-15-2014, 05:38 PM
#31
they cut 10 sec off base gtr ring time with the nismo. i still cant understand how the nismo did 7.08 with only 600hp, 3600 lbs, and runflat tires. i do know their aero and suspension packages were tailored specifically for the ring with softer spring rates. and they added a front lsd.
i think z06 can get close esp if they let drivers have lots of practice. not as easy to tackle ring with rwd as with gtr awd.
regardless, main issue with these forced induction cars is they over heat so easily. i have to do cool down laps with 2013 gtr after 10 minutes in summer temps. can only do full 20 min session in early spring or late fall
i think z06 can get close esp if they let drivers have lots of practice. not as easy to tackle ring with rwd as with gtr awd.
regardless, main issue with these forced induction cars is they over heat so easily. i have to do cool down laps with 2013 gtr after 10 minutes in summer temps. can only do full 20 min session in early spring or late fall
01-15-2014, 08:09 PM
#32
My thoughts exactly, read that when Tadge was in the Q&A and remember he said the ring is the place they go and track testing is further towards the end of the year.
01-15-2014, 08:16 PM
#33
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As you said this is a rumor, they won't even have the car at the ring until much later in the development cycle according to GM, basically near the end of the year (Last quarter) I would presume, but I hope your numbers are correct
01-15-2014, 08:23 PM
#34
they cut 10 sec off base gtr ring time with the nismo. i still cant understand how the nismo did 7.08 with only 600hp, 3600 lbs, and runflat tires. i do know their aero and suspension packages were tailored specifically for the ring with softer spring rates. and they added a front lsd.
i think z06 can get close esp if they let drivers have lots of practice. not as easy to tackle ring with rwd as with gtr awd.
regardless, main issue with these forced induction cars is they over heat so easily. i have to do cool down laps with 2013 gtr after 10 minutes in summer temps. can only do full 20 min session in early spring or late fall
i think z06 can get close esp if they let drivers have lots of practice. not as easy to tackle ring with rwd as with gtr awd.
regardless, main issue with these forced induction cars is they over heat so easily. i have to do cool down laps with 2013 gtr after 10 minutes in summer temps. can only do full 20 min session in early spring or late fall
"The Time Attack car, as Nissan refers to it, car had bigger spoilers for more downforce, different dampers and brake pads, bucket seats that contributed to a significant 50kg weight saving and a new ECU map. Together those modifications could count for several seconds around the ‘ring, but perhaps even more significantly the car used to set the time had been tuned specifically for the Nordschleife, as NISMO’s engineers confess."
01-15-2014, 08:40 PM
#36
This thread is a complete fabrication. Completely pointless. Science fiction bench-racing at its finest. Let's just wait for some real data next year. When there is a video released of a car running a fast Ring time, then we'll know.
01-15-2014, 09:18 PM
#37
If the aero is as good as gm claims the ring time will be a lot better than many think. The downforce is a huge deal not only for cornering speed but in putting the power down earlier and harder in corner exits.
01-15-2014, 09:27 PM
#38
Drifting
The question is should they use a 7spd or 8spd auto?
01-16-2014, 01:37 PM
#39
Le Mans Master
Nope!
This does make sense on most tracks but it doesn't make sense at the Ring. A large part of the ring is the straight away at the very end of it. It's very long and you're on it for a while. I bet the Z07 with all the aero doesn't accelerate (100+mph) as hard as the ZR1 or end up going as fast on that straight. It makes a huge difference on the time. I'm guessing this thing just beats the ZR1 and comes in around ~7:15.
But I hope you're right!!!
Best,
Gene
But I hope you're right!!!
Best,
Gene
I don't think I have ever been as excited about a Vette. Even when I bought my C5 Z06 and turbocharged it. I just like it when I see things getting done right, and they can afford that.!
01-16-2014, 02:07 PM
#40
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The production car has not been there yet. Why? Because they don't have their final production standards set yet. They still have EPA testing, engine validation junk, etc. So there is still tweaking going on.
Do they have mules running the ring? Don't know that.
Scott