The real question... Failure or no?
12-16-2014, 09:58 PM
#41
The Consigliere
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Yeah SBC that was kinda my point.
Hard core track rats of high skill will require upgrades to pretty much any factory street car they track. Whether its brakes, bearings, bushings, heat exchangers etc. For folks that aren't hard core or frequent track rats or not of a high skill level, then it's mostly a non-issue.
If one is going to do a lot of tracking, there will be something on nearly any street car, that will need upgraded to handle it.
Hard core track rats of high skill will require upgrades to pretty much any factory street car they track. Whether its brakes, bearings, bushings, heat exchangers etc. For folks that aren't hard core or frequent track rats or not of a high skill level, then it's mostly a non-issue.
If one is going to do a lot of tracking, there will be something on nearly any street car, that will need upgraded to handle it.
12-16-2014, 10:25 PM
#42
Pro
All this talk about heat soak is driving me nuts! do some you guys even now what heat soak is!! even all the tuners have said its not heat soak! its pulling timing in higher gears to prevent detonation! if you have ever driven a supercharged car detonation is something you don't want or you can kiss the motor goodbye! this car was flogged all day by racer car drivers and mag drivers and had nothing but great things to say, they had one problem with one car which had nothing to do with your so called heat soak! I'm looking forward to getting my new Z06 and enjoying it! so it lost to a viper from 130 role on,so what i want to see it from 0 to 100 mph! this forum was really good expect for all these post's about how bad the Z06 from people that don't even own one or driven one!
12-16-2014, 10:26 PM
#43
Racer
A turbocharger is driven by an engine's exhaust gases and increases engine power by making use of the wasted energy in the engine's exhaust stream. The lag typically associated with turbocharged cars is a consequence of the time that it takes the exhaust gases to spin the turbo to a point where is can deliver worthwhile boost pressure. Driven mechanically by the engine, a supercharger isn't compromised by the delay in power delivery associated with a turbocharger. However, since the supercharger's operation is constant, it consumes engine power.
12-16-2014, 10:31 PM
#44
Instructor
Was talking about real world club racing or advanced HPDE which is typically 20-30 minute sessions. C7Z should pass that test first before entering your hypothetical enduro racing. Not sure what club does that with street cars?
12-16-2014, 10:33 PM
#45
Safety Car
A turbocharger is driven by an engine's exhaust gases and increases engine power by making use of the wasted energy in the engine's exhaust stream. The lag typically associated with turbocharged cars is a consequence of the time that it takes the exhaust gases to spin the turbo to a point where is can deliver worthwhile boost pressure. Driven mechanically by the engine, a supercharger isn't compromised by the delay in power delivery associated with a turbocharger. However, since the supercharger's operation is constant, it consumes engine power.
An n/a header will always evacuate exhaust gasses better than a turbo manifold with a turbine attached to it. You will lose power spooling a turbo, always, period.
12-16-2014, 10:33 PM
#46
Burning Brakes
A turbocharger is driven by an engine's exhaust gases and increases engine power by making use of the wasted energy in the engine's exhaust stream. The lag typically associated with turbocharged cars is a consequence of the time that it takes the exhaust gases to spin the turbo to a point where is can deliver worthwhile boost pressure. Driven mechanically by the engine, a supercharger isn't compromised by the delay in power delivery associated with a turbocharger. However, since the supercharger's operation is constant, it consumes engine power.
12-17-2014, 01:50 AM
#47
The C6 Z06 when it launched in 2005 was the absolute benchmark, and has been since then in many respects. Even this new generation is being matched up against the C6, and really not beating it's performance figures by much, with the gap closing in acceleration.
Let's face it, you don't buy the Z06 if you want the luxury interior as a prerequisite. You buy this car because you want the fastest street legal machine on street or track with all the bragging rights and magazine praise.. OK It is nice to by cozy in the process.
But if you're buying this car for comfort and luxury first. You'll probably be just as happy in a loaded base C7.
The problem is, the competition has bridged the gap so much, while the walls are closing in on manufacturers with emissions and what not.
I personally feel this car is a failure. Here is why:The fact that the OP even feels compelled to write this. Says it all. The fact that we need to tune to make it keep up is a failure. Now this doesn't mean it's not a great car to cruise with and to play with. But the prime reason and
BOTTOM LINE:
This car has mostly failed at its main task. Being fast and consistent on a race track. I don't care about one lap wonders. Not having Nurburgring lap times probably tells us the car dies on mile 6. I hope they realize and build a monster NA motor for the LCI. Until then I'm shopping Vipers.
Let's face it, you don't buy the Z06 if you want the luxury interior as a prerequisite. You buy this car because you want the fastest street legal machine on street or track with all the bragging rights and magazine praise.. OK It is nice to by cozy in the process.
But if you're buying this car for comfort and luxury first. You'll probably be just as happy in a loaded base C7.
The problem is, the competition has bridged the gap so much, while the walls are closing in on manufacturers with emissions and what not.
I personally feel this car is a failure. Here is why:The fact that the OP even feels compelled to write this. Says it all. The fact that we need to tune to make it keep up is a failure. Now this doesn't mean it's not a great car to cruise with and to play with. But the prime reason and
BOTTOM LINE:
This car has mostly failed at its main task. Being fast and consistent on a race track. I don't care about one lap wonders. Not having Nurburgring lap times probably tells us the car dies on mile 6. I hope they realize and build a monster NA motor for the LCI. Until then I'm shopping Vipers.
12-17-2014, 01:59 AM
#48
Viper, the car that sheds its hood vents in car reviews.
Viper, the car that is about to get SUPERCHARGED itself.
Viper, the car that cooks its brakes and its passengers. Bake on the inside, fry on the side exhausts.
Viper, the car that scares even pro-drivers.
That Viper?
Viper, the car that is about to get SUPERCHARGED itself.
Viper, the car that cooks its brakes and its passengers. Bake on the inside, fry on the side exhausts.
Viper, the car that scares even pro-drivers.
That Viper?
12-17-2014, 03:03 AM
#49
So there are "waxers and cruisers". I guess that leaves the real men, the racers. What percentage of corvette owners are racers? I will bet 95%+ are cruisers. Just my thoughts. It has irritated me since I joined this forum to hear people referred to as waxers and cruisers, i.e. less than those of you who think you are racers. sorta makes makes my *** tired.
Remember. Not many Z06's have been delivered. 1k?
Your not SuPposeD to Make Any Comments here unless you own one.
Your also not supposed to ask questions.
OYoUrre not SuPposeD to make any Grammatical errors.
Your not SuPposed to critique the car in any way.....
GOT IT NOOB?
12-17-2014, 03:06 AM
#50
12-17-2014, 03:15 AM
#51
12-17-2014, 03:16 AM
#52
fo·rum
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noun
1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
On that note i have every right to come here and express my frustration with the car. Ive owned 3 z06s and adore the lineage and feel let down. Stay off the forum if you are feeling that fragile!:thumbs:
ˈfôrəm/
noun
1.
a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
On that note i have every right to come here and express my frustration with the car. Ive owned 3 z06s and adore the lineage and feel let down. Stay off the forum if you are feeling that fragile!:thumbs:
timber: in this forum, Please Use the Word "Butthurt", as a substitute for fragile......
We have to make sure we are all using the same words, say the same things, and PRAISE (only) the little chunkster known as the Z06......admit it she's a fatty!
Your going to have to check on "toodles" however. Still haven't figured out that usage here in the CF Asylum.....
12-17-2014, 03:29 AM
#53
Team Owner
doc, i'm curious how much of the turbos' power (volume * delta pressure / time) comes from the cooling of the exhaust gases across the turbine and how much comes from from a combination of things leading to higher cylinder pressures during the exhaust stroke. i don't expect it's a fully free ride.
12-17-2014, 03:47 AM
#54
12-17-2014, 10:29 AM
#56
Racer
Could you elaborate on your assertion that "you will always lose power spooling a turbo, always, period." And don't hesitate to render your elaboration with a level of clarity that isn't compromised by emotion or fiat. ("Gasses" is a verb, incidentally; "gases" is the plural form of "gas.")
12-17-2014, 10:32 AM
#57
Racer
doc, i'm curious how much of the turbos' power (volume * delta pressure / time) comes from the cooling of the exhaust gases across the turbine and how much comes from from a combination of things leading to higher cylinder pressures during the exhaust stroke. i don't expect it's a fully free ride.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/ls1-domest.../t-450990.html
Last edited by Doc V.; 12-18-2014 at 12:15 AM. Reason: "doesn't isn't"
12-17-2014, 10:39 AM
#58
Le Mans Master
Four times two equals eight.
Although in my completely stock (right down to the air cleaners) track car, I can go out with a full tank of gasoline, run 72 minutes (open track not HPDE) and empty the gasoline tank in 103 dF heat of Texas summers without cooking anything.
12-17-2014, 11:42 AM
#59
timber: in this forum, Please Use the Word "Butthurt", as a substitute for fragile......
We have to make sure we are all using the same words, say the same things, and PRAISE (only) the little chunkster known as the Z06......admit it she's a fatty!
Your going to have to check on "toodles" however. Still haven't figured out that usage here in the CF Asylum.....
We have to make sure we are all using the same words, say the same things, and PRAISE (only) the little chunkster known as the Z06......admit it she's a fatty!
Your going to have to check on "toodles" however. Still haven't figured out that usage here in the CF Asylum.....
12-17-2014, 12:16 PM
#60
Instructor
May I suggest that the folks who have decided that they have absolutely no interest in the car get off the forum? If you don't like the car, won't consider buying one, and think those of us who own one are fools, then let us know how you feel and then go elsewhere. Please don't hang around and start a half-dozen threads a day to tell us that we're posers for buying it and the magazines are misguided for praising it. It would be nice if Z06 owners and prospective owners could have a little forum of their own to talk about the car without plowing through blizzards of complaints about what an abject failure it is as an automobile.
Reporting concerns to educate readers is one thing, but what's going here is BS.