Considering a Mustang GT350R over a new Z06...am I crazy??
07-30-2015, 09:39 PM
#81
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07-30-2015, 10:37 PM
#82
My guess is that if a Z28 was equipped with sport cup 2's, it would be just as fast or faster than the Mustang. It's Z51 fast, with better tires on the 'R' spec version.
Pretty cool stuff though. I have a call into my dealer, he initially came back with 5K over MSRP - seems a bit steep.
Pretty cool stuff though. I have a call into my dealer, he initially came back with 5K over MSRP - seems a bit steep.
07-30-2015, 11:02 PM
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07-30-2015, 11:20 PM
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My guess is that if a Z28 was equipped with sport cup 2's, it would be just as fast or faster than the Mustang. It's Z51 fast, with better tires on the 'R' spec version.
Pretty cool stuff though. I have a call into my dealer, he initially came back with 5K over MSRP - seems a bit steep.
Pretty cool stuff though. I have a call into my dealer, he initially came back with 5K over MSRP - seems a bit steep.
But if the base/TP GT350 had the PSC2's on it instead of the PSS, it would be very close to the R.
S.
07-30-2015, 11:29 PM
#85
Those Trofeos are fantastic sticky tires! Gives the Michelins including the Cup2's a challenge when it comes to grip on the track.
My friend with a cammed & modded Z/28 (600hp to the rear wheels) runs the same stock Trofeos and he hugs the bends like super glue. Those R comps make a big difference.... granted I still used PSS when this pic was taken.
07-31-2015, 10:28 PM
#86
The GT350R with the carbon fiber wheels means a roughly 320lb dynamic weight reduction due to a 60lbs static savings.
What those wheels CF wheels do for the car should be fascinating to see documented.
07-31-2015, 11:42 PM
#88
The Z/28 has less power and weighs 200lbs more with the largest front footprint of any car with barely street legal track tires. It's still not touching a GT350R.
The GT350R with the carbon fiber wheels means a roughly 320lb dynamic weight reduction due to a 60lbs static savings.
What those wheels CF wheels do for the car should be fascinating to see documented.
The GT350R with the carbon fiber wheels means a roughly 320lb dynamic weight reduction due to a 60lbs static savings.
What those wheels CF wheels do for the car should be fascinating to see documented.
Z28 has "better" brakes. Overall I think they will have similar performance.
07-31-2015, 11:59 PM
#89
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08-01-2015, 12:11 AM
#90
I'd like to track it but it'll be a rare piece.... only 137 made for 2015. The first 37 are R models and the remaining 100 were split into 50 with Tech pkg and 50 with Track pkg.
08-01-2015, 12:32 AM
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I'll get to review my Avalanche Gray '15 GT350 w/ Track pkg in a week or two. It was already produced as of yesterday and awaiting delivery from plant to dealership. Can't wait! It'll be a worthy pairing next to my C7Z.
I'd like to track it but it'll be a rare piece.... only 137 made for 2015. The first 37 are R models and the remaining 100 were split into 50 with Tech pkg and 50 with Track pkg.
I'd like to track it but it'll be a rare piece.... only 137 made for 2015. The first 37 are R models and the remaining 100 were split into 50 with Tech pkg and 50 with Track pkg.
Pretty interesting how Ford did this. No performance numbers, no independent testing and only vague specs but they are selling.
S.
08-01-2015, 12:35 AM
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08-01-2015, 12:48 PM
#94
That's one reason I like the Z28 over the Shelby. I think it would be easy to make the Z28 alot faster with mods to the LS7, but the Ford would be harder and more $$$$ to make faster.
It will awesome to see a comparison between the Mustang gt350 and Z28.
It will awesome to see a comparison between the Mustang gt350 and Z28.
08-01-2015, 01:30 PM
#95
My guess is it will fall somewhere between a Z51 and a Z06 for approx base Z06 money out the door. It needs to loose a few hundred pounds and gain a couple hundred cajones to compete on the world stage.
It also would not hurt if you could actually BUY one. At the moment they are almost as rare as the never to be seen Ford GT.
08-01-2015, 02:14 PM
#97
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Does not take much more than a pic on the cover of some car rag to sell 137 cars.
My guess is it will fall somewhere between a Z51 and a Z06 for approx base Z06 money out the door. It needs to loose a few hundred pounds and gain a couple hundred cajones to compete on the world stage.
It also would not hurt if you could actually BUY one. At the moment they are almost as rare as the never to be seen Ford GT.
My guess is it will fall somewhere between a Z51 and a Z06 for approx base Z06 money out the door. It needs to loose a few hundred pounds and gain a couple hundred cajones to compete on the world stage.
It also would not hurt if you could actually BUY one. At the moment they are almost as rare as the never to be seen Ford GT.
The base GT350 is ~$50k. The Track Pack adds $6500 to that. The Technology Pack adds $7500. You can't order both packages, it's one or the other. The R package is $13,500. The Electronics Package for the R is $3000. There are a few other little options like a black roof, stripes and yellow paint (yellow tri-coat).
The most expensive GT350 you can get will be an R with the Electronics Package at $66.5k plus the roof, stripes and yellow paint.
So a base GT350 TP car is about the same as a 1LT Stingray. An R/EP is about the same price as a 3LT Stingray or a 2LT Z51 Stingray. A pretty solid value IMO.
Agree 100% on being able to buy one.
Ford seems to do this pretty well. They drum up lots of interest and excitement, and I'm sure they'll sell every GT350 they build, just like with the prior S197 GT500's. At the end of the '13/'14 GT500 production run, there were a handful of unsold cars in the entire country. And most of those were sitting on showroom floors as "trophies". But by the middle of next year they should be pretty obtainable. Also think a lot of people are waiting to see if Ford will allow the Track and Technology Packages to be ordered together. S.
S.
08-01-2015, 08:27 PM
#98
I was mistaken - I thought the Z28 came with P zeros. That said I don't think they are that much different in performance. Weight figures for the GT350 are preliminary and probably a bit low and torque is similar in both cars.
Z28 has "better" brakes. Overall I think they will have similar performance.
Z28 has "better" brakes. Overall I think they will have similar performance.
However outward visibility and interior are also far superior in the Mustang.
08-01-2015, 08:28 PM
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Does not take much more than a pic on the cover of some car rag to sell 137 cars.
My guess is it will fall somewhere between a Z51 and a Z06 for approx base Z06 money out the door. It needs to loose a few hundred pounds and gain a couple hundred cajones to compete on the world stage.
It also would not hurt if you could actually BUY one. At the moment they are almost as rare as the never to be seen Ford GT.
My guess is it will fall somewhere between a Z51 and a Z06 for approx base Z06 money out the door. It needs to loose a few hundred pounds and gain a couple hundred cajones to compete on the world stage.
It also would not hurt if you could actually BUY one. At the moment they are almost as rare as the never to be seen Ford GT.
doesnt the gt350 only weigh about 125 pounds more than a c7z coupe, and 65 pounds more than a c7z vert?
most expensive one you can get is about 66k......what is the highest optioned c7z?
and 200 more hp would be awesome in the car though, Ill give you that!!!
Wait a year, and hopefully you can actually get one. This year its
08-01-2015, 09:32 PM
#100
Not a chance for similar performance. Far lighter wheels and 200lbs less with more horespower. The Ford GT350R weight figure jives with what the current GT Mustang is. The torque is 52lb ft less than the Z28.
Considering the GT3 is only 325lbs ft of torque, its a non-issue.
That's a fair point. The Ford motor might be maxed out from a reliability standpoint due to its displacement and inherent imbalance of flat plane cranks.
However outward visibility and interior are also far superior in the Mustang.
Considering the GT3 is only 325lbs ft of torque, its a non-issue.
That's a fair point. The Ford motor might be maxed out from a reliability standpoint due to its displacement and inherent imbalance of flat plane cranks.
However outward visibility and interior are also far superior in the Mustang.