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We can all do the bench racing(reciting magazine articles, etc), but actual runs are what counts, including yours. Your results are different from the results shown in the video I posted.
The intention of my original post in this topic was to show actual(video) results of stock cars running against each other(Charger Hellcat and a C6 Z06) as that is what the OP did with his video of his modded C7 Z06 against a modded Charger Hellcat.
I believe that the video I posted did a very good job of comparing the acceleration capabilities of a stock C6 Z06 against a stock Charger Hellcat. We know that a stock C7 Z06 is quicker in the quarter mile than the stock C6 Z06, but the C6 Z06 runs quite strong above the typical 125-128 MPH trap speed in the 1/4 mile.
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I have my bases covered quite well, thank you. Restored 1956 Corvette. Original(including paint) 64,000 mile 1964 Corvette coupe. Lightly modded(higher flowing PRC265 heads and a tune) 2009 Z06, since July 2008, that was a performance bargain at $80,015, that I purchased with an employee number/discount for $69,038.33).
I'll wait and see what the C8 looks like, and then decide if I want to write a check for a new one. I skipped over the C4 and the C7 generations.
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We can all do the bench racing(reciting magazine articles, etc), but actual runs are what counts, including yours. Your results are different from the results shown in the video I posted.
The intention of my original post in this topic was to show actual(video) results of stock cars running against each other(Charger Hellcat and a C6 Z06) as that is what the OP did with his video of his modded C7 Z06 against a modded Charger Hellcat.
I believe that the video I posted did a very good job of comparing the acceleration capabilities of a stock C6 Z06 against a stock Charger Hellcat. We know that a stock C7 Z06 is quicker in the quarter mile than the stock C6 Z06, but the C6 Z06 runs quite strong above the typical 125-128 MPH trap speed in the 1/4 mile.
The intention of my original post in this topic was to show actual(video) results of stock cars running against each other(Charger Hellcat and a C6 Z06) as that is what the OP did with his video of his modded C7 Z06 against a modded Charger Hellcat.
I believe that the video I posted did a very good job of comparing the acceleration capabilities of a stock C6 Z06 against a stock Charger Hellcat. We know that a stock C7 Z06 is quicker in the quarter mile than the stock C6 Z06, but the C6 Z06 runs quite strong above the typical 125-128 MPH trap speed in the 1/4 mile.
All good. Difference experiences will yield different opinions.
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As someone that's owned both..my c6Z wouldn't stand a chance against my hellcat at pretty much any point in a straight line. That Hellcat never stopped pulling hard no matter what speed it was at. I mean it was very different in the big dodge's favor. Still liked my Z06 though (hated the weak clutch though). I haven't owned the C7Z yet but by everything I've seen to date it's a drivers race for sure. I tried to get guys to race me in my Hellcat at Zmax dragway but had no takers. I absolutely plan on owning the Hellcat ADR as soon as I can get my hands on it we'll see what it's all about.
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I'm just going off of the many cars I have seen run at events and have ran myself. I don't care either way, just know a stock C6 Z has never come close to beating me MPH wise at these events.
Here is a video of a modded C6 Z06 at a half mile event. Running about what a stock C7 Z06 runs. Says in comments on another video from same event has about 565 RWHP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVkL8MfhOpc
Here is a video of a modded C6 Z06 at a half mile event. Running about what a stock C7 Z06 runs. Says in comments on another video from same event has about 565 RWHP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVkL8MfhOpc
Again, a C&D review. Stock Challenger Hellcat.
1/4 mile results of 11.7 @ 126( very little slower than a stock C6 Z06 that is 11.6 seconds). Not comparing Hero runs in the tens for a C6 Z06)
0-150 of 17.3 seconds(.2 second quicker than a stock C6 Z06.
The Challenger Hellcat weighs 100 pounds less than the Charger Hellcat, thus (on paper) should be closer run than a stock Charger Hellcat that I showed the video of. 6.35 lb/HP Challenger hellcat vs the C6 A06 of 6.28. And the C&D reviews back this up.
The C6 Z06 in your video with 565 rwhp would be around 642 at the flywheel(12% driveline loss). That would be 4.94 lb/HP on the modded C6 Z06. A C6 Z06 with 642 BHP would rip a stock 707 BHP Hellcat to shreds, and also a stock 650 BHP C7 Z06.
Again, no way would a car with 6.35 lb/HP would charge past a car with a 4.94 lb/HP unless the C6 Z06 was having a problem on that particular run. Coefficient of drag and frontal area(CdA) is also in favor of the C6 Z06 which would become part of the equation at 150 MPH.
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There is no way a stock Challenger hellcat is going to charge past a stock C6 Z06 in fourth gear like that photo shows, much less a modded C6 Z06 with over a hundred horsepower over stock. That C6 Z06 must have sucked a Walmart bag into the intake around the 125 MPH mark. LOL.
Again, a C&D review. Stock Challenger Hellcat.
1/4 mile results of 11.7 @ 126(same as a stock C6 Z06).
0-150 of 17.3 seconds(.2 second quicker than a stock C6 Z06.
The Challenger hellcat weighs 100 pounds less than the Charger Hellcat, thus (on paper) should be closer run than a stock Charger Hellcat that I showed the video of. 6.35 lb/HP Challenger hellcat vs the C6 A06 of 6.28. And the C&D reviews back this up.
565 rwhp would be around 642 at the flywheel(12% driveline loss). That would be 4.94 lb/HP on the modded C6 Z06.
Again, no way would a car with 6.35 lb/HP would charge past a car with a 4.94 lb/HP unless the C6 Z06 was having a problem on that particular run. Coefficient of drag and frontal area(CdA) is also in favor of the C6 Z06 which would become part of the equation at 150 MPH.
Again, a C&D review. Stock Challenger Hellcat.
1/4 mile results of 11.7 @ 126(same as a stock C6 Z06).
0-150 of 17.3 seconds(.2 second quicker than a stock C6 Z06.
The Challenger hellcat weighs 100 pounds less than the Charger Hellcat, thus (on paper) should be closer run than a stock Charger Hellcat that I showed the video of. 6.35 lb/HP Challenger hellcat vs the C6 A06 of 6.28. And the C&D reviews back this up.
565 rwhp would be around 642 at the flywheel(12% driveline loss). That would be 4.94 lb/HP on the modded C6 Z06.
Again, no way would a car with 6.35 lb/HP would charge past a car with a 4.94 lb/HP unless the C6 Z06 was having a problem on that particular run. Coefficient of drag and frontal area(CdA) is also in favor of the C6 Z06 which would become part of the equation at 150 MPH.
That was NOT a stock Hellcat. It was a modified Hellcat that spun like crazy at the beginning. The video was for example of the C6 Z06 speed with modifications, NOT the actual race. It had to be modified to 565 RWHP in order to run speeds that stock C7 Z06 and Hellcats run. That was the sole purpose of the video. A stock C6 Z06 will never and can not compete against either C7 Z06 or Hellcat in the half mile or above in MPH, period. If you think they can, please let me know where I can come witness this as I have seen countless stock C6 Z06's run at the events and know within a MPH what they will run on any given day based on conditions. Not trying to get in an argument, but I will stand up for facts. Why in the world would anyone buy a ZR1 if the C6 Z06 was just as fast? You are way off here.
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Why? I don't really need two C6 Z06's.
I have my bases covered quite well, thank you. Restored 1956 Corvette. Original(including paint) 64,000 mile 1964 Corvette coupe. Lightly modded(higher flowing PRC265 heads and a tune) 2009 Z06, since July 2008, that was a performance bargain at $80,015, that I purchased with an employee number/discount for $69,038.33).
I'll wait and see what the C8 looks like, and then decide if I want to write a check for a new one. I skipped over the C4 and the C7 generations.
I have my bases covered quite well, thank you. Restored 1956 Corvette. Original(including paint) 64,000 mile 1964 Corvette coupe. Lightly modded(higher flowing PRC265 heads and a tune) 2009 Z06, since July 2008, that was a performance bargain at $80,015, that I purchased with an employee number/discount for $69,038.33).
I'll wait and see what the C8 looks like, and then decide if I want to write a check for a new one. I skipped over the C4 and the C7 generations.
I bet your Z06 runs good with the 265s.
I got my C7Z new for $75k even so I'm right behind you and it went 10.60s with a $600 air box, pretty sure it will go .50s on some drag radials. Not the cheapest 10 second car by far, but a good all around car for sure.
Between my dad and I, we have 8 corvettes so.....our bases are quite covered.
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I love how people always fall back to making fun of the fact that Hellcats aren't corner carvers. Like duh!!!! No one has ever claimed they are. What has been claimed is that they are straight line rockets, and that is 100% true. I feel blessed to own one. And mine isn't even modded.
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There is no way a stock Challenger hellcat is going to charge past a stock C6 Z06 in fourth gear like that photo shows, much less a modded C6 Z06 with over a hundred horsepower over stock. That C6 Z06 must have sucked a Walmart bag into the intake around the 125 MPH mark. LOL.
Again, a C&D review. Stock Challenger Hellcat.
1/4 mile results of 11.7 @ 126( very little slower than a stock C6 Z06 that is 11.6 seconds). Not comparing Hero runs in the tens for a C6 Z06)
0-150 of 17.3 seconds(.2 second quicker than a stock C6 Z06.
The Challenger Hellcat weighs 100 pounds less than the Charger Hellcat, thus (on paper) should be closer run than a stock Charger Hellcat that I showed the video of. 6.35 lb/HP Challenger hellcat vs the C6 A06 of 6.28. And the C&D reviews back this up.
The C6 Z06 in your video with 565 rwhp would be around 642 at the flywheel(12% driveline loss). That would be 4.94 lb/HP on the modded C6 Z06. A C6 Z06 with 642 BHP would rip a stock 707 BHP Hellcat to shreds, and also a stock 650 BHP C7 Z06.
Again, no way would a car with 6.35 lb/HP would charge past a car with a 4.94 lb/HP unless the C6 Z06 was having a problem on that particular run. Coefficient of drag and frontal area(CdA) is also in favor of the C6 Z06 which would become part of the equation at 150 MPH.
Again, a C&D review. Stock Challenger Hellcat.
1/4 mile results of 11.7 @ 126( very little slower than a stock C6 Z06 that is 11.6 seconds). Not comparing Hero runs in the tens for a C6 Z06)
0-150 of 17.3 seconds(.2 second quicker than a stock C6 Z06.
The Challenger Hellcat weighs 100 pounds less than the Charger Hellcat, thus (on paper) should be closer run than a stock Charger Hellcat that I showed the video of. 6.35 lb/HP Challenger hellcat vs the C6 A06 of 6.28. And the C&D reviews back this up.
The C6 Z06 in your video with 565 rwhp would be around 642 at the flywheel(12% driveline loss). That would be 4.94 lb/HP on the modded C6 Z06. A C6 Z06 with 642 BHP would rip a stock 707 BHP Hellcat to shreds, and also a stock 650 BHP C7 Z06.
Again, no way would a car with 6.35 lb/HP would charge past a car with a 4.94 lb/HP unless the C6 Z06 was having a problem on that particular run. Coefficient of drag and frontal area(CdA) is also in favor of the C6 Z06 which would become part of the equation at 150 MPH.
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I love how people always fall back to making fun of the fact that Hellcats aren't corner carvers. Like duh!!!! No one has ever claimed they are. What has been claimed is that they are straight line rockets, and that is 100% true. I feel blessed to own one. And mine isn't even modded.
The reality is the Hellcats are stylish, relatively inexpensive, and have a fantastic powerplant.
Only an a-hole would criticize what Dodge accomplished.
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People talk out their *** all the time and say that "Hellcats can't turn" as their throw down rebuttal..... I'm sure there is just as much technology in their suspensions as there is in their power trains.
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That and, I'd be willing to bet the HellCat handles quite well...(for its size).... We are not talking about a 69' Impala here...LOL Just because its big and heavy doesnt mean it can't be well balanced and stable during high speed cornering. Would it be good on a tight race course? Obviously not....But for public road twisties, canyon carving and high speed sweepers, I'm sure that big ole car turns quite well...
People talk out their *** all the time and say that "Hellcats can't turn" as their throw down rebuttal..... I'm sure there is just as much technology in their suspensions as there is in their power trains.
People talk out their *** all the time and say that "Hellcats can't turn" as their throw down rebuttal..... I'm sure there is just as much technology in their suspensions as there is in their power trains.
They didn't spend the coin to add downforce and aero drag if all they were interested in was drag racing and top speed. That's also how the Charger Hellcat averaged 204.55 MPH top speed(both directions to take the wind out of the equation)around the 7.5 mi oval test track in Ohio(which GM also has used).
The difference is that Dodge actually tells us what the top speed is on their Charger Hellcat, where GM keeps mum on the Z06's top speed.
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Gotta say that I didn't buy a Hellcat for anything other than straight line performance. Road course just isn't my thing and I'd say the majority of Hellcat owners feel the same way so when someone switches up to the "let's see what it does when it gets to a curve" I say "I'll cut the wheel and punch it leaving a tire smoke cloud so thick you'll have to slow way down to be able to see where to go. That along with the glare reflecting off my teeth from the huge stupid smile on my face will probably keep me in front".
It was me racing my Hellcat at Zmax in NC that beat the mighty NISMO Nissan GTR. Only by a 10th but that's all it takes for an E.T. win. The you tube video was posted around the world and GTR guy's heads exploded everywhere. The first thing the fan boys came up with was "what are you going to do when you get to a curve?". I just didn't care.
It was me racing my Hellcat at Zmax in NC that beat the mighty NISMO Nissan GTR. Only by a 10th but that's all it takes for an E.T. win. The you tube video was posted around the world and GTR guy's heads exploded everywhere. The first thing the fan boys came up with was "what are you going to do when you get to a curve?". I just didn't care.