Is this NORMAL????
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on tuesday, in his state, the law most likely says, he could have used the threat of returning the car to the dealer since it was not right, and dissolving the deal unless they fix the car.
People countered me and said play nice... even tho i have played nice with GM on many instances and witnessed others play nice... always the same story, GM does nothing when it concerns paint or a problem that affects all of their cars.
Dealers eat the bills, unless it is mechanical warranty work, and that is because the dealer bills GM, and by law, GM has to pay it whether the car is new or has 35,000 miles on it and is still under bumper to bumper warranty.
The same people who were assuring us his car would be fixed, are NOW trying to convince us his car has a common problem and it is just the way they all are.
Instead of caring about the OP, who was bugged by it... we have people trying to turn this into 2 other ventures... either convince the OP his car is fine and normal... or convince EVERYONE with a carbon hood, their car has the same flaw.
Either of those 2 objectives, will not solve the OP's hood not matching, both are fruitless. One tells the OP to eat it and smile, and the other is to start a class action lawsuit... fruitless with no immediate resolution.
It bothers me that i go to bat and try to help people, and everyone else interprets it as i'm the bad guy.
One day the OP is going to wake up and realize, i was the only one on his team, and had he forced the dealer to accept responsibility or roll a car back on their showroom, he would have THEN gotten the problem corrected.
I currently do not believe he will. I hope i am wrong, not trying to jinx him, just calling a spade a spade... he is toast... he will get nothing but bad paint work offered as an option, or no option at all.
And if it were my car... i would take that hood off and sell it on ebay and put a normal black hood on that matches. Maybe one of the people who says it is common and normal and not a big deal since the supplier is different and its not gm's fault... maybe they will step up and pay top dollar for a hood that does not match if you put it for sale on the forum.
in the meantime, goodluck, i really am out of here, if you want to reach me, PM me, looking at this thread and reading how people reason and try to solve problems for each other, literally causes me pain.
There are many people in this thread who are not the OP's friend, they are his worst enemy because they give advice that will not solve his problem, and make him feel like he is out of line if he does not proceed in the fashion they approve of.
And when those of you who are proud of your cars, and the way they look when you are done washing them, i want you to realize...
meanwhile on this planet, there is a guy who is sad that his BRAND NEW car does not match, and YOUR advises just screwed him, royally. You ruined his car. It could have been fixed until you showed up and opened your mouths.
People countered me and said play nice... even tho i have played nice with GM on many instances and witnessed others play nice... always the same story, GM does nothing when it concerns paint or a problem that affects all of their cars.
Dealers eat the bills, unless it is mechanical warranty work, and that is because the dealer bills GM, and by law, GM has to pay it whether the car is new or has 35,000 miles on it and is still under bumper to bumper warranty.
The same people who were assuring us his car would be fixed, are NOW trying to convince us his car has a common problem and it is just the way they all are.
Instead of caring about the OP, who was bugged by it... we have people trying to turn this into 2 other ventures... either convince the OP his car is fine and normal... or convince EVERYONE with a carbon hood, their car has the same flaw.
Either of those 2 objectives, will not solve the OP's hood not matching, both are fruitless. One tells the OP to eat it and smile, and the other is to start a class action lawsuit... fruitless with no immediate resolution.
It bothers me that i go to bat and try to help people, and everyone else interprets it as i'm the bad guy.
One day the OP is going to wake up and realize, i was the only one on his team, and had he forced the dealer to accept responsibility or roll a car back on their showroom, he would have THEN gotten the problem corrected.
I currently do not believe he will. I hope i am wrong, not trying to jinx him, just calling a spade a spade... he is toast... he will get nothing but bad paint work offered as an option, or no option at all.
And if it were my car... i would take that hood off and sell it on ebay and put a normal black hood on that matches. Maybe one of the people who says it is common and normal and not a big deal since the supplier is different and its not gm's fault... maybe they will step up and pay top dollar for a hood that does not match if you put it for sale on the forum.
in the meantime, goodluck, i really am out of here, if you want to reach me, PM me, looking at this thread and reading how people reason and try to solve problems for each other, literally causes me pain.
There are many people in this thread who are not the OP's friend, they are his worst enemy because they give advice that will not solve his problem, and make him feel like he is out of line if he does not proceed in the fashion they approve of.
And when those of you who are proud of your cars, and the way they look when you are done washing them, i want you to realize...
meanwhile on this planet, there is a guy who is sad that his BRAND NEW car does not match, and YOUR advises just screwed him, royally. You ruined his car. It could have been fixed until you showed up and opened your mouths.
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on tuesday, in his state, the law most likely says, he could have used the threat of returning the car to the dealer since it was not right, and dissolving the deal unless they fix the car.
People countered me and said play nice... even tho i have played nice with GM on many instances and witnessed others play nice... always the same story, GM does nothing when it concerns paint or a problem that affects all of their cars.
Dealers eat the bills, unless it is mechanical warranty work, and that is because the dealer bills GM, and by law, GM has to pay it whether the car is new or has 35,000 miles on it and is still under bumper to bumper warranty.
The same people who were assuring us his car would be fixed, are NOW trying to convince us his car has a common problem and it is just the way they all are.
Instead of caring about the OP, who was bugged by it... we have people trying to turn this into 2 other ventures... either convince the OP his car is fine and normal... or convince EVERYONE with a carbon hood, their car has the same flaw.
Either of those 2 objectives, will not solve the OP's hood not matching, both are fruitless. One tells the OP to eat it and smile, and the other is to start a class action lawsuit... fruitless with no immediate resolution.
It bothers me that i go to bat and try to help people, and everyone else interprets it as i'm the bad guy.
One day the OP is going to wake up and realize, i was the only one on his team, and had he forced the dealer to accept responsibility or roll a car back on their showroom, he would have THEN gotten the problem corrected.
I currently do not believe he will. I hope i am wrong, not trying to jinx him, just calling a spade a spade... he is toast... he will get nothing but bad paint work offered as an option, or no option at all.
And if it were my car... i would take that hood off and sell it on ebay and put a normal black hood on that matches. Maybe one of the people who says it is common and normal and not a big deal since the supplier is different and its not gm's fault... maybe they will step up and pay top dollar for a hood that does not match if you put it for sale on the forum.
in the meantime, goodluck, i really am out of here, if you want to reach me, PM me, looking at this thread and reading how people reason and try to solve problems for each other, literally causes me pain.
There are many people in this thread who are not the OP's friend, they are his worst enemy because they give advice that will not solve his problem, and make him feel like he is out of line if he does not proceed in the fashion they approve of.
And when those of you who are proud of your cars, and the way they look when you are done washing them, i want you to realize...
meanwhile on this planet, there is a guy who is sad that his BRAND NEW car does not match, and YOUR advises just screwed him, royally. You ruined his car. It could have been fixed until you showed up and opened your mouths.
People countered me and said play nice... even tho i have played nice with GM on many instances and witnessed others play nice... always the same story, GM does nothing when it concerns paint or a problem that affects all of their cars.
Dealers eat the bills, unless it is mechanical warranty work, and that is because the dealer bills GM, and by law, GM has to pay it whether the car is new or has 35,000 miles on it and is still under bumper to bumper warranty.
The same people who were assuring us his car would be fixed, are NOW trying to convince us his car has a common problem and it is just the way they all are.
Instead of caring about the OP, who was bugged by it... we have people trying to turn this into 2 other ventures... either convince the OP his car is fine and normal... or convince EVERYONE with a carbon hood, their car has the same flaw.
Either of those 2 objectives, will not solve the OP's hood not matching, both are fruitless. One tells the OP to eat it and smile, and the other is to start a class action lawsuit... fruitless with no immediate resolution.
It bothers me that i go to bat and try to help people, and everyone else interprets it as i'm the bad guy.
One day the OP is going to wake up and realize, i was the only one on his team, and had he forced the dealer to accept responsibility or roll a car back on their showroom, he would have THEN gotten the problem corrected.
I currently do not believe he will. I hope i am wrong, not trying to jinx him, just calling a spade a spade... he is toast... he will get nothing but bad paint work offered as an option, or no option at all.
And if it were my car... i would take that hood off and sell it on ebay and put a normal black hood on that matches. Maybe one of the people who says it is common and normal and not a big deal since the supplier is different and its not gm's fault... maybe they will step up and pay top dollar for a hood that does not match if you put it for sale on the forum.
in the meantime, goodluck, i really am out of here, if you want to reach me, PM me, looking at this thread and reading how people reason and try to solve problems for each other, literally causes me pain.
There are many people in this thread who are not the OP's friend, they are his worst enemy because they give advice that will not solve his problem, and make him feel like he is out of line if he does not proceed in the fashion they approve of.
And when those of you who are proud of your cars, and the way they look when you are done washing them, i want you to realize...
meanwhile on this planet, there is a guy who is sad that his BRAND NEW car does not match, and YOUR advises just screwed him, royally. You ruined his car. It could have been fixed until you showed up and opened your mouths.
There is now way way under the sun GM Is going to let this go as normal.
As Steven Bell said earlier “ Aside from JVP, Jeremy is the most well connected person to GM around. If he says it is being investigated and a good outcome will happen....TRUST HIM!”
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i guess that is my problem, i dont trust any of them. And i dont trust people who cant look at a photo, and find where the panels are on the same plane, and see the color is the same.
If you guys would move your circle on your photo, over to the right, where the nose comes up to the fender and the hood is also at the same angle/plane with those 2 at that point, you would see that is the EXACT same color, and all these guys are doing right now is giving you bad info that a new hood, from the factory/supplier WONT MATCH EITHER... and that is a lie.
It will match. Just like the hood in the photo matches, and so do the other photos of black cars with this same hood... match.
Your hood was damaged and has a second coat of paint, from the factory, or from the dealer, someone has added more coats to that panel than it normally comes with. And that is likely why it has an odd scratch on it, that scratch ALONE should have been enough for them to NOT put it on your car at the factory. Instead, that was put on with that scratch, because whoever fixed it, saw it as 100x better than what it was before they fixed it, and they probably scratched it there while it was being handled during fixing.
I do hope it works out for you, this is not about me. It is about you and your hood. Goodluck
If you guys would move your circle on your photo, over to the right, where the nose comes up to the fender and the hood is also at the same angle/plane with those 2 at that point, you would see that is the EXACT same color, and all these guys are doing right now is giving you bad info that a new hood, from the factory/supplier WONT MATCH EITHER... and that is a lie.
It will match. Just like the hood in the photo matches, and so do the other photos of black cars with this same hood... match.
Your hood was damaged and has a second coat of paint, from the factory, or from the dealer, someone has added more coats to that panel than it normally comes with. And that is likely why it has an odd scratch on it, that scratch ALONE should have been enough for them to NOT put it on your car at the factory. Instead, that was put on with that scratch, because whoever fixed it, saw it as 100x better than what it was before they fixed it, and they probably scratched it there while it was being handled during fixing.
I do hope it works out for you, this is not about me. It is about you and your hood. Goodluck
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Mike....again, the sky is NOT falling. You are one person with one opinion. If Jagamajajaran said he is helping and will most likely get it taken care of....IT'S BEING HANDLED. But your negative perspective and your "it's me against the world" attitude is contradictory to the situation.
I've talked to Jeremy personally about this. High GM people in high GM places are already on top of the situation. Kevin, I would suggest you communicate with Jeremy directly via PM for a remedy for your situation.
I've talked to Jeremy personally about this. High GM people in high GM places are already on top of the situation. Kevin, I would suggest you communicate with Jeremy directly via PM for a remedy for your situation.
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sounds good, i hope you are right and we are thankful for your help.
once my car and a couple others are lemon'd this winter, i might throw together a quick youtube documentary, with all my phone conversations and emails with GM, and also elaborate on my background and who I actually am in the grand scheme of things and what all I have witnessed in my life...
and at that point, you will see the evidence of how they treat people, in a new light.
Im being genuine when i say, we are lucky you and others on this forum are able to pull strings, you will be amazed when the time comes, what kindness and doing things by the book, has yielded others, who have been much less fortunate, and lack "connections"
My car has been in for service and parts replaced 5 times for the same problem, and GM is doing everything in their power to try to make it need to be in for service 7 times... before they agree i have a lemon
And the sad thing is, im not worried I will get to 7, so rather than argue, im going to make a fool out of them and do it their way, just so people can see how unfair they are. You will see soon.
once my car and a couple others are lemon'd this winter, i might throw together a quick youtube documentary, with all my phone conversations and emails with GM, and also elaborate on my background and who I actually am in the grand scheme of things and what all I have witnessed in my life...
and at that point, you will see the evidence of how they treat people, in a new light.
Im being genuine when i say, we are lucky you and others on this forum are able to pull strings, you will be amazed when the time comes, what kindness and doing things by the book, has yielded others, who have been much less fortunate, and lack "connections"
My car has been in for service and parts replaced 5 times for the same problem, and GM is doing everything in their power to try to make it need to be in for service 7 times... before they agree i have a lemon
And the sad thing is, im not worried I will get to 7, so rather than argue, im going to make a fool out of them and do it their way, just so people can see how unfair they are. You will see soon.
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Mike, I'm sorry you have had a negative experience....that really sucks. I'm confident you have the emails and evidence necessary to make the video you're talking about. I would be interested in seeing it myself.
I tend to look at the glass half full, though-not half empty....and yes, even with GM!
I feel bad for you and your car-I hope it doesn't come to the point with they have to Lemon Law your car. But just because this has happened to you in a negative experience, it doesn't mean that this is also what is going to happen to Kevin!
I understand you're upset and mad-you have every right to feel that way. But please.....DO NOT try to make everyone reading this thread think that this is the way GM handles everything! I sincerely hope your situation gets resolved to your satisfaction too...really!
But please, please-let Kevin have a glimmer of hope!
I tend to look at the glass half full, though-not half empty....and yes, even with GM!
I feel bad for you and your car-I hope it doesn't come to the point with they have to Lemon Law your car. But just because this has happened to you in a negative experience, it doesn't mean that this is also what is going to happen to Kevin!
I understand you're upset and mad-you have every right to feel that way. But please.....DO NOT try to make everyone reading this thread think that this is the way GM handles everything! I sincerely hope your situation gets resolved to your satisfaction too...really!
But please, please-let Kevin have a glimmer of hope!
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as with everything else, opinions are formed from our senses - smell - taste - feel - sight.. maybe I have sharper vision than you? I mean, the difference in the amount of metallic alien should be alarming to a sharp eye. And I know that came out in video as I move around with the camera. Probably the hardest part is the amount of flake to match the original panels. Not easy. Robot consistency vs whi knows what.
Kevin. I am going to post up some screen shots of the guy you are attempting to speak with about your issue. I want you to see who your dealing with so you get how to talk to him.
he was very passionate about my issue. Hes been working on getting it fixed for hundreds of Z06 owners if not more.
I hope that puts you at ease about what you're in for. Maybe a month or two until perfect but in EMS it will be just that.. and you will look back at this and wonder why you were so upset over it. That's what I do now. And that was 21mos.
see what I find tomorrow I'll be looking especially for black cars.
just for you I'll risk getting popped in the mouth lowering someone's hood to take the pic lol!
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^^^ Haha, well let’s hope no one does any popping in the mouth.. I appreciate your help. There are lots of nice people here... curious to see what Jeff says once you talk to him. Oh be sure you show him the pics before he has his second beer.. by then it will start to look the same.. lol...
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I've been on the road two straight days with work. Sorry I haven't posted today until now. Before I became friends with many Corvette VIPs, I had a 2014 Stingray with a LOT of problems. GM took care of them before I was "well connected" and I've seen GM come through for both me and many others on many occasions. Just this morning on Facebook, I saw a post from someone with a new Corvette that had "cloudy" chrome wheels. GM was sending him an entirely new set. I know some people have had less than desirable service experiences and there can be a host of reasons for this. However, this one should be an easy one to correct. I'm personal friends with the Corvette team members others have mentioned in this thread as well as others who are in even higher positions. I have confidence in the process and I'm hopeful for a positive outcome. It's a bummer that you aren't able to enjoy your new Z06 yet, but this will be miles and miles behind you soon. Hang in there. 
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I've been on the road two straight days with work. Sorry I haven't posted today until now. Before I became friends with many Corvette VIPs, I had a 2014 Stingray with a LOT of problems. GM took care of them before I was "well connected" and I've seen GM come through for both me and many others on many occasions. Just this morning on Facebook, I saw a post from someone with a new Corvette that had "cloudy" chrome wheels. GM was sending him an entirely new set. I know some people have had less than desirable service experiences and there can be a host of reasons for this. However, this one should be an easy one to correct. I'm personal friends with the Corvette team members others have mentioned in this thread as well as others who are in even higher positions. I have confidence in the process and I'm hopeful for a positive outcome. It's a bummer that you aren't able to enjoy your new Z06 yet, but this will be miles and miles behind you soon. Hang in there.
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Jeremy I was only busting chops. I know you see the differences.
some on here believe there is a conspiracy to swear the emperor is actually wearing clothes so to speak lol
I'm in the reserved spot IB 44 stop by whenever we can catch up. Feel free to use anything there if we aren't when you show up. Perfect spot close to the customer service bldg and stage.
the bigger question at least to me is what will it take for GM to just take this exposed carbon process on themselves. I can only imagine there will be more and more use of the beautiful material and exhibition such as the B92 hoods and ZR1 ZL1 etc etc. In the future.
ps Kevin, I wouldn't bail on the hood. Such a beautiful option. It'll get resolved. I'm sure of it.. u really should take a ride up here. Bring the car. It having 66 miles or 600 miles will change nothing regarding the outcome. Nothing. You own it. Once you left the lot with the paperwork signed and it went to DMV. .in my experience it was 3 days. Maybe Maryland is different but I'm doubtful. There are so many people from gm here you can show them the car in person. Nothing more impressive than that. Jeff saw my car in person. And he was visibly not happy. Just sayin. I'm speaking from experience with a happy outcome.
And if you show up without the car you'll still have a great time you'll meet dozens of people who have had zero issues and tons. But in the end, life is too short and you should enjoy it. I first came here 3 years ago and cant imagine NOT coming here every year. It's a car enthusiasts heaven especially for a Corvette guy/gal.
some on here believe there is a conspiracy to swear the emperor is actually wearing clothes so to speak lol
I'm in the reserved spot IB 44 stop by whenever we can catch up. Feel free to use anything there if we aren't when you show up. Perfect spot close to the customer service bldg and stage.
the bigger question at least to me is what will it take for GM to just take this exposed carbon process on themselves. I can only imagine there will be more and more use of the beautiful material and exhibition such as the B92 hoods and ZR1 ZL1 etc etc. In the future.
ps Kevin, I wouldn't bail on the hood. Such a beautiful option. It'll get resolved. I'm sure of it.. u really should take a ride up here. Bring the car. It having 66 miles or 600 miles will change nothing regarding the outcome. Nothing. You own it. Once you left the lot with the paperwork signed and it went to DMV. .in my experience it was 3 days. Maybe Maryland is different but I'm doubtful. There are so many people from gm here you can show them the car in person. Nothing more impressive than that. Jeff saw my car in person. And he was visibly not happy. Just sayin. I'm speaking from experience with a happy outcome.
And if you show up without the car you'll still have a great time you'll meet dozens of people who have had zero issues and tons. But in the end, life is too short and you should enjoy it. I first came here 3 years ago and cant imagine NOT coming here every year. It's a car enthusiasts heaven especially for a Corvette guy/gal.
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Bob, I know you were! 
Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to Carlisle this year. I sure wish I was there though.
Kevin, I agree that if possible, you should drive to Carlisle and let Jeff see it in person. I'll send you a PM shortly with some more details, but the highest levels want to lay eyes on the paint discrepancy themselves. And Jeff is one of those that needs to see it. I'll send you more info in a PM
As for B92 hoods having some discrepancy from various angles like we have seen in the video, there are some levels of tolerance that are given because while from one direction it looks off, looking from another angle it looks like a match. To me, Kevin's car is far worse and unacceptable. This is why the highest levels want to lay eyes on Kevin's car. They actually do care.
Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to Carlisle this year. I sure wish I was there though. Kevin, I agree that if possible, you should drive to Carlisle and let Jeff see it in person. I'll send you a PM shortly with some more details, but the highest levels want to lay eyes on the paint discrepancy themselves. And Jeff is one of those that needs to see it. I'll send you more info in a PM
As for B92 hoods having some discrepancy from various angles like we have seen in the video, there are some levels of tolerance that are given because while from one direction it looks off, looking from another angle it looks like a match. To me, Kevin's car is far worse and unacceptable. This is why the highest levels want to lay eyes on Kevin's car. They actually do care.
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Bob, I know you were! Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to Carlisle this year. I sure wish I was there though.
Kevin, I agree that if possible, you should drive to Carlisle and let Jeff see it in person. I'll send you a PM shortly with some more details, but the highest levels want to lay eyes on the paint discrepancy themselves. And Jeff is one of those that needs to see it. I'll send you more info in a PM
As for B92 hoods having some discrepancy from various angles like we have seen in the video, there are some levels of tolerance that are given because while from one direction it looks off, looking from another angle it looks like a match. To me, Kevin's car is far worse and unacceptable. This is why the highest levels want to lay eyes on Kevin's car. They actually do care.
Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to Carlisle this year. I sure wish I was there though.Kevin, I agree that if possible, you should drive to Carlisle and let Jeff see it in person. I'll send you a PM shortly with some more details, but the highest levels want to lay eyes on the paint discrepancy themselves. And Jeff is one of those that needs to see it. I'll send you more info in a PM
As for B92 hoods having some discrepancy from various angles like we have seen in the video, there are some levels of tolerance that are given because while from one direction it looks off, looking from another angle it looks like a match. To me, Kevin's car is far worse and unacceptable. This is why the highest levels want to lay eyes on Kevin's car. They actually do care.
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Oh wow! That's no fun! Hopefully the repair went well and you'll have a speedy recovery!
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the guy with the orange ztk ZR1 caught me down by his front bumper trying to find that spot which I did find by the way and it's in the expel wrap according to him not the bumper, his name is Dan he is on the Forum very nice guy so I take back everything I said about him from when I met him last year LOL
without me bringing your car up at all we were talking about paint and color match in general and he brought me over to his roof and showed me the difference between his roof rails and the panel light behind it which is striking because the roof is way lighter than the orange of the rest of the car also the rear spoiler the little one.
ps. Also found out from Jeff every C7 mirror is also painted off site by the supplier!
without me bringing your car up at all we were talking about paint and color match in general and he brought me over to his roof and showed me the difference between his roof rails and the panel light behind it which is striking because the roof is way lighter than the orange of the rest of the car also the rear spoiler the little one.
ps. Also found out from Jeff every C7 mirror is also painted off site by the supplier!