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Old 04-20-2018, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1 View Post
As far as drivers cars the 2019 Z06 and ZR1 2019 are identical if the extra 105hp is not a factor. What you said actually applies to both cars.
Not exactly identical as driver's cars .
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Originally Posted by DebRedZR1 View Post
Not exactly identical as driver's cars .
The Z06 drivers seat does have that low depression spot from the drivers thicker wallet.
You get used to that! J/k! IMO The bigger difference is the choice between A8 and M7! Those are the totally different drivers. Seems the
Z06 and ZR1 with same transmission would be very close as street drivers. With the next difference then is when you get on the gas and that can be fixed with the thicker wallet!

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Originally Posted by Palantirion View Post
- True. Mostly. The ZR1's shaker scoop does add a viceral thrill that the Z06 (and every other new car) lacks. A minor detail, but a very special minor detail.

As for my "never" statement, the ZR1 model chronologically debuted after the Z06 so I think of it as "the end" of the C7 line. Certainly it is the pinnacle. None of us know at this time when the last C7 will be produced or what model it will be. I would not be surprised if the production timeline for the Z06 becomes similarly limited as the ZR1. The C8 is coming, soon, and I am beginning to suspect that GM will not produce both cars simultaneously. But that's just gut feeling atm.
The correct term it seems is shaker hood insert a must to house the very tall lt5. Pure muscle car looking.

Just really love the look of the low sweeping hood sports cars have like the Corvette's designs have had since the C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 and C7
have carried. The C7 Z06 still has it, the C7 ZR1 does not.
You maybe right! The C7 line may be done in 20 or 21.

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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1 View Post
The correct term it seems is shaker hood insert a must to house the very tall lt5. Pure muscle car looking.

Just really love the look of the low sweeping hood sports cars have like the Corvette's designs have had since the C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 and C7
have carried. The C7 Z06 still has it, the C7 ZR1 does not.
You maybe right! The C7 line may be done in 20 or 21.
-Yeah, sorry. "Shaker Scoop" is force-of-habit. Thanks for the correction. I'm not sure if I agree with the term "insert" though - that implies something that isn't integral to the engine. I would go with "bulge", but perhaps that implies similarly. But then you could claim that the ZR1 has got the biggest bulge!
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I think the more important question is what is going to happen to the value of the C8 when the C9 comes out.
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Originally Posted by samgauto View Post
I think most new ZR-1 owners do wonder how the C7 ZR-1 values will be affected, although I doubt many are loosing sleep over it. The value drop and desirability may vary more with some factors like.. if the 2019 is the last year for a rear drive ZR-1. Also, another factor will be if the base model ME C8 matches or exceeds the performance of the C7 ZR-1. I am not yet sure if I would sell my ZR-1 for a C8. If so, I would be more likely to purchase the 2nd year of the C8. That is not to say Chevrolet can't resolve most of the first year bugs, but it is just a personal preference. Also, even though the mid-engine vette has been in the works on and off since the Zora years, the fact that so much Corvette heritage has been established on a rear drive-front engine V8 platform, may hold a portion of some Vette owners into pre C8 models, again as a matter of personal preference. Although I had not driven a Corvette since my C4, and I ordered my ZR-1 not knowing how the C7 style drove, the ME is such a big change to me that I would test drive one first before considering the purchase. I have never driven a mid engine vehicle and would like to get a few miles in one to see the differences in overall cabin sound and dirveability.
I'm excited about the new rear mid engine corvette and in my opinion as the new c8 releases in the first three years I seriously doubt the performance of the 755 hp ZR1 model introduced this year will be eclipsed.

I would suggest the third year of production there will be a vehicle that matches or slightly exceeds the performance of the zR1.

Could be announced the second year but in my opinion GM will first milk all the consumers into the standard c8 for at least one year, more probably 2 years and then in the third year....when the media and public excitement trails off ...GM will introduce the heir higher performance model.......then as GM often does...waits a year or two..offers a combo of wide body and standard engine..aka grand sport and in the last few years after that....the mightiest of models make sure it's appearance...

That's the traditional corvette marketing theme we have seen for several generations...I really think it's successful so I'd be surprised I find they go off script.

Anything s possible of course...but it would be surprising...

For anyone wondering the c6 ZR1 residuals are even after all these years quite amazing.

Look it up on the c6 for sale section...c6 .ZR1's hold their value amazingly well.

I would expect nothing less percentage wise from the c7 zr1.

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Not sure a high-end, luxury-sport Cadillac will affect the sales of a hardcore performance Chevy all that much...
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Originally Posted by 427Z0SX View Post
I'm guessing that the 2020 C8's performance will be nowhere near that of the ZR1. Until, the "Z06" or "ZR1" version of the C8 arrives, whenever that is.
212 for the ZR1 with 755..190 for the ME with 500 or 525?
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I'm excited about the new rear mid engine corvette and in my opinion as the new c8 releases in the first three years I seriously doubt the performance of the 755 hp ZR1 model introduced this year will be eclipsed.

I would suggest the third year of production there will be a vehicle that matches or slightly exceeds the performance of the zR1.

Could be announced the second year but in my opinion GM will first milk all the consumers into the standard c8 for at least one year, more probably 2 years and then in the third year....when the media and public excitement trails off ...GM will introduce the heir higher performance model.......then as GM often does...waits a year or two..offers a combo of wide body and standard engine..aka grand sport and in the last few years after that....the mightiest of models make sure it's appearance...

That's the traditional corvette marketing theme we have seen for several generations...I really think it's successful so I'd be surprised I find they go off script.

Anything s possible of course...but it would be surprising...

For anyone wondering the c6 ZR1 residuals are even after all these years quite amazing.

Look it up on the c6 for sale section...c6 .ZR1's hold their value amazingly well.

I would expect nothing less percentage wise from the c7 zr1.

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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1 View Post
The Z06 drivers seat does have that low depression spot from the drivers thicker wallet.
You get used to that! J/k! IMO The bigger difference is the choice between A8 and M7! Those are the totally different drivers. Seems the
Z06 and ZR1 with same transmission would be very close as street drivers. With the next difference then is when you get on the gas and that can be fixed with the thicker wallet!
Who carries a wallet?
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Originally Posted by timmyZ06 View Post
Since the ME C8 is getting more and more closer, what kind of impact it will have on ZR1 sales/ price hit, after GM unveil the new C8 at the beginning of Jan 2019? Aren't you guys worried that will majorly hit ZR1 prices? Specially for those who are paying 10K over MSRP!! Which i will never do for any vehicules whatsoever! Im not trying to **** on ZR1 onwers parade at all! Love the ZR1, but the C8 looks VERY promising!
Its a legimate question, and im curious what people think about it !
If they come out with a 2020 C8 that can be ordered in 2019, I guess itíll have to be parked next to the 2019 ZR1!
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Originally Posted by Walter Raulerson View Post
Who carries a wallet?


On Topic: who cares..its a endless cycle every new Vette that's released is the latest, greatest, fastest....
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It's not endless. Remember the 70's.
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I wonder what will happen to the value of the C8 ME first model released when the next model is released.

I wonder what will happen to the value of the C8 second model released when the C9 is released.

And so on, and so on, and so on...

Who cares.
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Not sure a high-end, luxury-sport Cadillac will affect the sales of a hardcore performance Chevy all that much...
The cadillac xlr (caddy's version of an overpriced C6 Corvette) was a turd sales wise. At one point, the bowling green plant was only building 6 units/day.
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Originally Posted by RACE U View Post
The cadillac xlr (caddy's version of an overpriced C6 Corvette) was a turd sales wise. At one point, the bowling green plant was only building 6 units/day.
- The XLR was a turd of a car. Cramped, slow (relative to Vette and the German competition), not really engaging or responsive. Beautiful design, but that was it. Since then Caddilac has been on a tear to do everything right that BMW has been abandoning. I think a present-day Corvette-based Caddy would be a valid entry against Mercedes SLs and the upcoming 8 Series.

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