Can you improve the handling?
10-24-2019, 11:24 AM
#21
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I know what you are trying to say and improving the handling is a great intention but the reality is that GM has some SHARP guys when it comes to setting up a chassis for performance and they have to make sure it survives through the warranty period and meets their quality control tests. With a specialty car like the ZR1 they already push the envelope to cater to the hard-core guys that will buy the car.
An aftermarket manufacturer only has to list their suspension package or individual pieces on a website and if they don't help handling or worse yet--they break, it isn't a big deal because it is an "aftermarket" and sometimes that is par for the course. A few guys in their garage a CNC machine or tens of millions of dollars of R&D done by degreed engineers? I will go with the latter.
For a street car that was designed with bushings, I would never install rose or heim joints. It is easy to market something as an "improvement" when it often is expensive and terrible, like permanent diamond grills (teeth).
An aftermarket manufacturer only has to list their suspension package or individual pieces on a website and if they don't help handling or worse yet--they break, it isn't a big deal because it is an "aftermarket" and sometimes that is par for the course. A few guys in their garage a CNC machine or tens of millions of dollars of R&D done by degreed engineers? I will go with the latter.
For a street car that was designed with bushings, I would never install rose or heim joints. It is easy to market something as an "improvement" when it often is expensive and terrible, like permanent diamond grills (teeth).
10-24-2019, 12:09 PM
#22
I know what you are trying to say and improving the handling is a great intention but the reality is that GM has some SHARP guys when it comes to setting up a chassis for performance and they have to make sure it survives through the warranty period and meets their quality control tests. With a specialty car like the ZR1 they already push the envelope to cater to the hard-core guys that will buy the car.
An aftermarket manufacturer only has to list their suspension package or individual pieces on a website and if they don't help handling or worse yet--they break, it isn't a big deal because it is an "aftermarket" and sometimes that is par for the course. A few guys in their garage a CNC machine or tens of millions of dollars of R&D done by degreed engineers? I will go with the latter.
For a street car that was designed with bushings, I would never install rose or heim joints. It is easy to market something as an "improvement" when it often is expensive and terrible, like permanent diamond grills (teeth).
An aftermarket manufacturer only has to list their suspension package or individual pieces on a website and if they don't help handling or worse yet--they break, it isn't a big deal because it is an "aftermarket" and sometimes that is par for the course. A few guys in their garage a CNC machine or tens of millions of dollars of R&D done by degreed engineers? I will go with the latter.
For a street car that was designed with bushings, I would never install rose or heim joints. It is easy to market something as an "improvement" when it often is expensive and terrible, like permanent diamond grills (teeth).
10-24-2019, 12:46 PM
#23
Pro
Rubber bushings is for Street ability. It is so that people don't complain about a rough or noise ride. They are in not better for the track or performance. The joints flex and there goes your alignment. If they were faster you'd see Baja-like trucks beating GTEs around LeMans.
If you have a really well thought out suspension package that stiffens up the compliance joints, properly sized swaybars and appropriate spring rates and properly valved shocks made for a specific purpose, say HPDE days or racing, for a specific situation then I am sure it will be faster around that track.
I was just suggesting that throwing suspension parts advertised as "better" one by one and hoping they improve a supremely well tuned chassis, might not give the handling improvements you were looking for.
Last edited by d16dcoe45; 10-24-2019 at 12:50 PM.
