2020 will be mid engine release, and 2021 will be a new front engine model also?...
07-07-2018, 01:54 PM
#41
Melting Slicks
So the front engine car gets retain the prestigious 7 decade old,Chevrolet Corvette name,
and the all new mid/rear engine car gets to be called
the Chevrolet Zora???
Does the Chevrolet brand really carry that much weight??
To debut an all new car,in a world of sharks,and who have perfected this mid engine game...
And use the Chevrolet Zora nameplate.
Wouldn't that harm this new products chances,
right out of the gate?
Wouldn't the all new mid engine car have its best chances of succeeding by being a “Corvette “?
I could write an essay on why that wouldn’t work..
and so could many others.
Wouldnt that be rolling dice in the boardroom ?
Hey guys let’s not even use the corvette brand name...
lets go all new ..Chevrolet Zora.
Hold it...we (Chevrolet)haven’t had a single new nameplate debut in over 3 decades that has been successful .
Or maybe you mean Zora would be an all new brand under GM?
Cadillac ,Buick,GMC,Chevrolet and ...the all new Zora brand...
Makes even less sense.
Isn’t Corvette the most prestigious and worthy car brand that GM has in their portfolio ?
The Corvette brand is GM’s most noteworthy brand in car manufacturing ...It’s stronger then Cadillac .
07-07-2018, 02:22 PM
#42
Le Mans Master
Rear engine:: engine is behind the driver.
Mid engine: engine is between centerline of both axles.
By these definitions, the corvette is front engined and mid engined. C8 will be rear engined and mid engined.
Boxster has the engine in front of the transaxle both behind the driver, so does Cayman.
911 has the engine behind the transaxle and both behind the driver.
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CorvetteBrent (07-10-2018)
07-07-2018, 05:45 PM
#43
I'm going to agree with you that the "Zora" name will only mean anything to old geezers. To anyone under the age of 70 it's not going to mean anything. Or worse, it will conjure up a bygone age. If anything the new ME should be a Corvette and the old FE (if it continues) will get some "heritage" sounding name to satisfy those old fogies who insist that the FE should continue (even though it's piling up in my local showrooms, heavily discounted).
07-07-2018, 06:06 PM
#44
Melting Slicks
I'm going to agree with you that the "Zora" name will only mean anything to old geezers. To anyone under the age of 70 it's not going to mean anything. Or worse, it will conjure up a bygone age. If anything the new ME should be a Corvette and the old FE (if it continues) will get some "heritage" sounding name to satisfy those old fogies who insist that the FE should continue (even though it's piling up in my local showrooms, heavily discounted).
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...-in-the-making
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07-07-2018, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikec7z;1597537877[color=#e74c3c
]A friend of mine who is connected and is usually spot on with corvette predictions[/color], said that his source told him that in 2021 model year, the front engine car is going to get a revamp. The mid engine will be released next year, as a 2020 model he said, but the front engine corvette is not going away, which I already believed, but he says it is getting a face lift. I am not sure if they are going to do a drastic change or if it will just be all corvettes getting a zr1 like front end that breathes better and maybe a few more intercoolers, or what the deal will be. He said that dealers lack inventory on c7 and zr1 as production has slowed down due to constraints on certain pieces and parts supplied.
Curious if this 2021 new front engine body or car, was public knowledge already? First I have heard of it. I imagine they would start putting in the newer dohc motors into the front engine cars, if they are going to continue to make them, so it will be exciting. He went so far as to say, the C8 is what the 2021 front engine car will be called, and the mid engine will carry the name Zora.
Curious if this 2021 new front engine body or car, was public knowledge already? First I have heard of it. I imagine they would start putting in the newer dohc motors into the front engine cars, if they are going to continue to make them, so it will be exciting. He went so far as to say, the C8 is what the 2021 front engine car will be called, and the mid engine will carry the name Zora.
07-07-2018, 06:22 PM
#46
Ok Grasshopper, I'm going to let you in on some knowledge that you might not know or didn't study on your Corvette Forum Fan manual. Surely you understand the historical significance of the C2 generation Head Engineer Zora Arkus Dontov with his intense desire to build a mid engined Corvette during the C2 generation. Surely you would have read that if you had read any significant Corvette book. Or the fact that GM trademarked the Zora name half way around the world in Australia years ago to maintain it's naming rights so as not to draw attention to the process. Or the fact that both FE and ME configurations are the future of Corvette.
And this is on my coffee table. I just don't think it's a catchy name. Sorry.
07-07-2018, 06:45 PM
#47
Melting Slicks
^^^ There, I corrected your spelling ! Now go and read the Hagerty Article, concentrate and pay attention to the last paragraph where Corvette Guru Don Sherman tells us we will have two Corvette configurations to choose from.
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07-07-2018, 07:07 PM
#48
Melting Slicks
He says they’re gonna throw the all new” Chevrolet Zora” in the lions den...against 911’s,Ferrari’s etc.
And save the Corvette nameplate for the very iffy front engine car.
I’m not even open for an argument on that issue,
its got to be unanimous ...
Absolute NO.
07-07-2018, 07:09 PM
#49
Anyway,this is the Don Sherman piece I read. Nothing about using Zorba, Xena or whatever
Today it’s clear that tradition is essential to the Corvette ethos. But younger, more adventurous customers will be needed to keep the flame burning. A mid-engine layout will allow more possibilities, including special editions that will climb even higher up the performance and price scale, challenging Europe’s grip on the $100,000-plus sports car market, and a racing program that will keep pace with advancements in the sport. Although the C7 Stingray and its evolutionary descendants will surely live on for several more years, the mid-engine C8 will soon arrive to give Corvette customers a second choice. The new Vette might keep the internal code name Zerv, as a show of respect to Zora Arkus-Duntov and his seminal CERV experimental cars.
07-07-2018, 07:34 PM
#50
Melting Slicks
The issue here is the op states that his source says the mid engine car won’t even be a Corvette.
He says they’re gonna throw the all new” Chevrolet Zora” in the lions den...against 911’s,Ferrari’s etc.
And save the Corvette nameplate for the very iffy front engine car.
I’m not even open for an argument on that issue,
its got to be unanimous ...
Absolute NO.
Do you actually think that Team Corvette would just drop and give up decades of developed front engine configuration technologies and a massive data base of engineering know how. They have the FE developed to a pinnacle of front engined automotive performance excellence. They are kicking Porsche, Ferrari, and others around racetracks at 1/3 the budgets. They will never, I repeat never give up that advantage that they have worked so hard for over the years. The naysayers of both configurations will go down as the most embarrassing element of this forum. Like I said in a prior thread, some GM powertrain engineers were rolling there eyes at some of your comments. See this post #7 from this thread a few days ago.
I was up at Laguna Seca last month when GM Powertrain showed up at the track. I got to talk to a few of the test drivers there that were driving 2 new ZR1's, 2 Stingrays, and 5 new Camaro's. They told me they were GM powertrain engineers and putting test miles on the engines. I asked them if they were testing a new version of the LT1 and they wouldn't say yes or no. They just smiled. I then said "You must be testing the new LT2". They still didn't respond though. I then told them that I was on the Corvette Forum and went by the name of Skank and that there were some on the forum that felt the front engined Corvette was going away and wouldn't be built anymore. One of the engineers just rolled his eyes and said "Oh ya sure, right uh hum right". Obviously making fun of the minority on this forum that think the FE Corvette is going away. I asked him if he reads the Corvette Forum and he said yes and that a lot of others read and enjoy the banter going on in the forum. I then asked them if they had read my Zerv List thread on the C8 forum and they clammed up and started to get a little nervous of me asking questions about the ME Zora. They then said "Well, we have to get going" and left.
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07-07-2018, 07:41 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
my point im getting at, it wont be the c8, it will be the Z1. The c8 will be the front engine model with the new engine lineup.
If they want to throw the corvette name in there somehow for kicks, then sure, im not going to argue that point.
My point is, a c8 is coming, and its not the zora. The ME car is the z1.
Place money bets if you want to argue, otherwise, we all have our opinion, and time will show who is correct.
Porsche told us that the last of the manual transmission gt3 and gt2 rs cars happened a few years back. It made people buy the "last manual porsches for big money" THen porsche re introduced the "manual only edition 911" and everyone bought those for big money. Now we have manual transmission 911's again. It was a fad and a scare tactic that generated huge sales.
Chevy is going to do the same thing here with the ME, make you believe its the end of the front engine car, everyone goes out and buys the "final year" of the c7.
Then after the z1 has made its debut, and sells well, and they flush out all the remaining front engine cars and make people think its the end...
Chevy plays the hero and says "alright, due to public demand, we have created the c8." that will happen in model year 2021 or 2022.
From then on, both cars will be in competition with each other, and blow the doors off of the competition as chevy will have the lowest production price for motors and transmissions on the planet, as they are mass produced and also put in their pickups and suburbans etc.... the engines that is.
Ford GT, Porsche, ferrari and lambo wont hold a candle to the power and reliability chevy will have for a third the price.
If they want to throw the corvette name in there somehow for kicks, then sure, im not going to argue that point.
My point is, a c8 is coming, and its not the zora. The ME car is the z1.
Place money bets if you want to argue, otherwise, we all have our opinion, and time will show who is correct.
Porsche told us that the last of the manual transmission gt3 and gt2 rs cars happened a few years back. It made people buy the "last manual porsches for big money" THen porsche re introduced the "manual only edition 911" and everyone bought those for big money. Now we have manual transmission 911's again. It was a fad and a scare tactic that generated huge sales.
Chevy is going to do the same thing here with the ME, make you believe its the end of the front engine car, everyone goes out and buys the "final year" of the c7.
Then after the z1 has made its debut, and sells well, and they flush out all the remaining front engine cars and make people think its the end...
Chevy plays the hero and says "alright, due to public demand, we have created the c8." that will happen in model year 2021 or 2022.
From then on, both cars will be in competition with each other, and blow the doors off of the competition as chevy will have the lowest production price for motors and transmissions on the planet, as they are mass produced and also put in their pickups and suburbans etc.... the engines that is.
Ford GT, Porsche, ferrari and lambo wont hold a candle to the power and reliability chevy will have for a third the price.
Last edited by Mikec7z; 07-07-2018 at 07:49 PM.
07-07-2018, 07:50 PM
#52
Melting Slicks
It's a joke. An ingenieur joke. Do I have to spel it out for you?
Anyway,this is the Don Sherman piece I read. Nothing about using Zorba, Xena or whatever
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...-in-the-making
Anyway,this is the Don Sherman piece I read. Nothing about using Zorba, Xena or whatever
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-vid...-in-the-making
Last edited by skank; 07-07-2018 at 07:51 PM.
07-07-2018, 07:54 PM
#53
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Front engine:: engine is in front of the driver.
Rear engine:: engine is behind the driver.
Mid engine: engine is between centerline of both axles.
By these definitions, the corvette is front engined and mid engined. C8 will be rear engined and mid engined.
Boxster has the engine in front of the transaxle both behind the driver, so does Cayman.
911 has the engine behind the transaxle and both behind the driver.
Rear engine:: engine is behind the driver.
Mid engine: engine is between centerline of both axles.
By these definitions, the corvette is front engined and mid engined. C8 will be rear engined and mid engined.
Boxster has the engine in front of the transaxle both behind the driver, so does Cayman.
911 has the engine behind the transaxle and both behind the driver.
Get lost.
07-07-2018, 08:28 PM
#54
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by skank
Pietro
Do you actually think that Team Corvette would just drop and give up decades of developed front engine configuration technologies and a massive data base of engineering know how. They have the FE developed to a pinnacle of front engined automotive performance excellence. They are kicking Porsche, Ferrari, and others around racetracks at 1/3 the budgets. They will never, I repeat never give up that advantage that they have worked so hard for over the years. The naysayers of both configurations will go down as the most embarrassing element of this forum. Like I said in a prior thread, some GM powertrain engineers were rolling there eyes at some of your comments. See this post #7 from this thread a few days ago.
I was up at Laguna Seca last month when GM Powertrain showed up at the track. I got to talk to a few of the test drivers there that were driving 2 new ZR1's, 2 Stingrays, and 5 new Camaro's. They told me they were GM powertrain engineers and putting test miles on the engines. I asked them if they were testing a new version of the LT1 and they wouldn't say yes or no. They just smiled. I then said "You must be testing the new LT2". They still didn't respond though. I then told them that I was on the Corvette Forum and went by the name of Skank and that there were some on the forum that felt the front engined Corvette was going away and wouldn't be built anymore. One of the engineers just rolled his eyes and said "Oh ya sure, right uh hum right". Obviously making fun of the minority on this forum that think the FE Corvette is going away. I asked him if he reads the Corvette Forum and he said yes and that a lot of others read and enjoy the banter going on in the forum. I then asked them if they had read my Zerv List thread on the C8 forum and they clammed up and started to get a little nervous of me asking questions about the ME Zora. They then said "Well, we have to get going" and left.
Do you actually think that Team Corvette would just drop and give up decades of developed front engine configuration technologies and a massive data base of engineering know how. They have the FE developed to a pinnacle of front engined automotive performance excellence. They are kicking Porsche, Ferrari, and others around racetracks at 1/3 the budgets. They will never, I repeat never give up that advantage that they have worked so hard for over the years. The naysayers of both configurations will go down as the most embarrassing element of this forum. Like I said in a prior thread, some GM powertrain engineers were rolling there eyes at some of your comments. See this post #7 from this thread a few days ago.
I was up at Laguna Seca last month when GM Powertrain showed up at the track. I got to talk to a few of the test drivers there that were driving 2 new ZR1's, 2 Stingrays, and 5 new Camaro's. They told me they were GM powertrain engineers and putting test miles on the engines. I asked them if they were testing a new version of the LT1 and they wouldn't say yes or no. They just smiled. I then said "You must be testing the new LT2". They still didn't respond though. I then told them that I was on the Corvette Forum and went by the name of Skank and that there were some on the forum that felt the front engined Corvette was going away and wouldn't be built anymore. One of the engineers just rolled his eyes and said "Oh ya sure, right uh hum right". Obviously making fun of the minority on this forum that think the FE Corvette is going away. I asked him if he reads the Corvette Forum and he said yes and that a lot of others read and enjoy the banter going on in the forum. I then asked them if they had read my Zerv List thread on the C8 forum and they clammed up and started to get a little nervous of me asking questions about the ME Zora. They then said "Well, we have to get going" and left.
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Shaka (07-14-2018)
07-07-2018, 09:12 PM
#56
Melting Slicks
[QUOTE=skank;1597553855]Pietro
Do you actually think that Team Corvette would just drop and give up decades of developed front engine configuration technologies and a massive data base of engineering know how. They have the FE developed to a pinnacle of front engined automotive performance excellence. They are kicking Porsche, Ferrari, and others around racetracks at 1/3 the budgets. They will never, I repeat never give up that advantage that they have worked so hard for over the years.
This is the only part of your post that keeps the probability of the FE corvette continuation a possibility.
If that is what team corvette is planing on doing...
expect baby steps...
The C8 mid engine car that is debuting within months
is gonna get a star spangled banner introduction...
and not with an Appolo Creed in Rocky 2 ending...
Look At the title of the book you posted....
very clear and uncluttered definition of what the Corvette brand is,
and nobody wants to mess with that.
Do you actually think that Team Corvette would just drop and give up decades of developed front engine configuration technologies and a massive data base of engineering know how. They have the FE developed to a pinnacle of front engined automotive performance excellence. They are kicking Porsche, Ferrari, and others around racetracks at 1/3 the budgets. They will never, I repeat never give up that advantage that they have worked so hard for over the years.
This is the only part of your post that keeps the probability of the FE corvette continuation a possibility.
If that is what team corvette is planing on doing...
expect baby steps...
The C8 mid engine car that is debuting within months
is gonna get a star spangled banner introduction...
and not with an Appolo Creed in Rocky 2 ending...
Look At the title of the book you posted....
very clear and uncluttered definition of what the Corvette brand is,
and nobody wants to mess with that.
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Mikec7z (07-07-2018)
07-07-2018, 10:32 PM
#58
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Pietro
I was up at Laguna Seca last month when GM Powertrain showed up at the track. I got to talk to a few of the test drivers there that were driving 2 new ZR1's, 2 Stingrays, and 5 new Camaro's. They told me they were GM powertrain engineers and putting test miles on the engines.
I was up at Laguna Seca last month when GM Powertrain showed up at the track. I got to talk to a few of the test drivers there that were driving 2 new ZR1's, 2 Stingrays, and 5 new Camaro's. They told me they were GM powertrain engineers and putting test miles on the engines.
I am agreeing with you and I know you are agreeing with me. I wish some of these fools would put money where their mouth is instead of insult our intelligences. Place a wager. maybe im wrong, maybe they are right, but im confident enough im willing to place money.
They aren't, they just are lonely people who want to argue about stuff they have no clue about with strangers on a forum.
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Mikec7z (07-08-2018)
07-08-2018, 03:36 AM
#60
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
exactly