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There clearly is a relatively small group of vocal Corvette buyers here that are more interested in a cheap watered down Corvette to accommodate their inability to go upscale. Dumbing down the Corvette for you guy's will not promote the Corvette's technical progression. Wallow in your own mediocrity, but don't expect most of us to accommodate your low standards.
You apparently have no idea how GM operates their business! I can see Mary Barra saying to the Board, "Yep we introduced the C8 as a $169,900 that beats the best and lost our shirt!" She'd say that on her way out the door!
Especially being from CA, have you not read that your State is sticking to the high future mpg goals that are by model (based on a formula that includes its footprint.) Those are Federal guidelines that GM and others are trying to negotiate to be more realistic and so they don't have to make special cars or sell fewer types in CA.
No question in my mind the C8 will come in relatively close to C7 prices. There will no doubt be a ZR1 type they sell a few of and a C8R that reflects to some degree those available for sale less what IMSA allows like no eLSD and if you go too fast we're restricting something!
That could happen but I think a refreshed C7 FE into a new C8 FE would cost less but your life's job experience differ's from mine so your analysis is different.
WOW.
How do you know Foosh's financial situation?
Come on, want to have different opinion, that's great. But crap like this is frankly inexcusable.
You owe the man an apology.....
Sounds like it won't happen. They are not designing two new cars, and C7 demand is near the saturation point and falling. A refresh won't cut it.
I think anyone, Kai Spande included, can shout out 33,000 as a sales target all they want but reality is in the numbers. The ME will price itself into 5,000 - 8,000 units and the new FE (2020 - 2021) could be a "hit it out of the park" vehicle. Everyone at Corvette has said that they cannot wring more out of the front engine layout. They cannot keep it on the road in corners with any more horsepower so my guess is they will charge Hwasup Lee with the task of creating a exquisite skin over the existing chassis that will blow everyone's skirts up while keeping the prices in line with current ones! Hence the big target # for FE's: 20,000 - 25,000.
This all boils down to whether they build the ME only or they build both ME and FE. That is it in a nutshell. I'm betting on both going forward and you only the ME going forward. I've lived with both Corvettes and Ferrari's and I can tell you that ME's are not as practical as a FE. And therein lies the difference. GM has to have both to satisfy all lifestyles.
I have pretty much settled into the 80k to 90k starting base price going all the way up to 190k plus or minus.
Since the cheapest 2020 911 starts at $114K, why wouldn't the Corvette ME w/500 hp LT1 & DCT, start at $100K minimum? It would easily out perform the Porsche and still be a value.
Wouldn't you be a potential buyer for a Z06 outfitted GT in a skin like this??
You could fit luggage and golf clubs in this car. Along with fly rods and a Yeti! If GM put out a car in this skin with the mechanics of the existing Z06 and called it a GT, my guess is it'd sell like hotcakes!
Since the cheapest 2020 911 starts at $114K, why wouldn't the Corvette ME w/500 hp LT1 & DCT, start at $100K minimum? It would easily out perform the Porsche and still be a value.
Then the C8 is going to have to do sales numbers in the world market like NO Corvette has EVER done.
Porsche sells about 9,000 911's a year in the U.S. and about 34,000 world wide.
"Build Quality: In this category GM wins and loses. Fit, finish, and paint quality is often lacking and would easily place GM at the bottom...as assembly line quality is lacking in this regard. Lest we mention orange peel paint? On the flip side, GM has a rather large budget and tests their parts extensively so when it comes to reliability over many of their competitors, they are the tops. And their parts cost much less to replace, that's a nice bonus as well. Porsche would likely have the highest build quality on all respects with GM close behind in some aspects. But due to fit, finish, and paint issues, GM still finds itself lagging so again...middle aka medicre."
Have you ever seen the "paint quality" of a Ferrari? How about the leather that shrinks and the buttons that turn to mush?
I think you just like to type.
Best of luck with criticizing Ferrari paint. You will find yourself with little company in that category.
Best of luck with criticizing Ferrari paint. You will find yourself with little company in that category.
You need to join FerrariChat. There are MULTIPLE threads from guys doing paint correction on BRAND NEW Ferraris
Here's one from forum member Todd Cooperider, paint correction he did on a LAFERRARI
WOW.
How do you know Foosh's financial situation?
Come on, want to have different opinion, that's great. But crap like this is frankly inexcusable.
You owe the man an apology.....
I think you may have read his statement incorrectly. He doesn't say anything about a financial situation, he comments on experience obtained from a different job than his.
Wouldn't you be a potential buyer for a Z06 outfitted GT in a skin like this??
You could fit luggage and golf clubs in this car. Along with fly rods and a Yeti! If GM put out a car in this skin with the mechanics of the existing Z06 and called it a GT, my guess is it'd sell like hotcakes!
Let's see I'm going to walk into my local Chevy dealership and pick out my new $169,000 Corvette Super car that's sitting right next to that beautiful Malibu.
Better yet get to sit in the service area next to the owner of that Malibu to get my $169,000 Corvette serviced and drink stale coffee. Works for me!
I think you may have read his statement incorrectly. He doesn't say anything about a financial situation, he comments on experience obtained from a different job than his.
Looks to me like jimmyb was striving to be offended and now he is the one that owes someone an apology.
LOL. Well enjoy your opinion. Clearly Motor Trend, Road & Track, and every car magazine in the last 30 years is wrong. You seem to think that price is the most important factor, so...who do you place as Corvette's competitors? Base model 911s? Jaguar F-Type? M4? What other heavier cars with much higher quality interiors would you like to put it up against? Even against these, Corvette still finds the middle in most categories. Its not going to win on build quality and looks are so debatable. Performance? Sure, it's going to beat much of the competition in its price range. So, you want to say it has the best bang for the buck? Ok, I'll give you that. But a lot of buyers are looking for more than the best bang for their buck.
The most mediocre car I’ve ever owned was a Mercedes SL550. There is greatness at all price points. It’s design and execution that matters. Set your goals within reasonable parameters. Achieve them and you will not be mediocre. Only from an irrelevant perspective can the C7 Corvette be considered mediocre.
Let's see I'm going to walk into my local Chevy dealership and pick out my new $169,000 Corvette Super car that's sitting right next to that beautiful Malibu.
Better yet get to sit in the service area next to the owner of that Malibu to get my $169,000 Corvette serviced and drink stale coffee. Works for me!
Well $150K ZR1 buyers are doing just that right now, so clearly no problem.
12-10-2018, 03:42 PM
