Unlikely base MEC using “upgraded LT1”
01-03-2019, 08:51 PM
#181
Drifting
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01-03-2019, 08:52 PM
#182
Drifting
God I love this discussion - almost as much as I love the growl from my LT1 when I put my foot heavy on the go pedal. As us old guys say "there is no replacement for displacement", and the Chevy small block V-8 that can go 300,000 miles with little or no major maintenance and has better power to weight than any other engine of this output, and is purely a thing of beauty. BMW and MB would love to be able to build and sell them, but they simply CAN'T. They never had an Ed Cole to show them the way.
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01-08-2019, 01:34 PM
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01-08-2019, 03:04 PM
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01-08-2019, 09:12 PM
#192
Le Mans Master
if it was a 6.2 that made 600hp and added $0 to the cost of the car I would embrace it.
care to guess which it would be?
01-08-2019, 10:12 PM
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01-09-2019, 07:26 AM
#196
Burning Brakes
Must be the 5.5L with a shorter stroke - the big dog ! Is the crank really flat ? How do they control the vibration ? Do they use a 2X balance crank in the same location as the OHV engine cam ??
01-09-2019, 08:19 AM
#197
Race Director
500 hp and 500 lb/ft of tq in the size , weight and cost structure is spot on...
sure dohc twin turbos or even just dohc flat plane crank motors are cool too...as optional engines...for those who want to pay...
i dont see the logic if i had the choice,,,,
hopefully gm will give us corvette faithful the choice and exoand the range of the vehicle...
zero to sixty in the low threes of a dct equipped rear mid engine sports car with a targa style roof and Im good...
im daily driving a corvette with a top speed of 190 mph, cornering capability of 1.0 lateral g, zero to sixty in 4 seconds....im pretty happy....so much so that this pretty little rear mid emgine sports car has caught my attention to purcjase again in the 70s.
01-09-2019, 08:28 AM
#198
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Hi, Joe. I think GM CAN still sell sedans, (or as the Brit's say "saloons"), competitively in the US, but it is much more profitable to sell trucks, SUV's and CUV's, because that is where the market here is going. (That is not true worldwide). I think I read somewhere that truck, SUV and CUV sales are now over 66% of the US market, where they were less than 50% just 3-4 years ago.
That % has every indication of going higher in the US over the next few years. It is no exaggeration to say that the CUV has probably replaced the sedan, at least in the US, for the foreseeable future. Practicality, (ie. interior volume for people and cargo), and the higher seating position these CUV's offer has made body style and ultimate handling capability less important to buyers. Toyota and Honda are still selling sedans in the US but their numbers are going down too, and they are also turning to more CUV's to generate sales. My only concern is that these CUV's all look alike - they are becoming commodities which will make market differentiation very to do hard in the future. Also, people tend to keep them longer - there is no shame in driving an older SUV or CUV, because they all look alike anyway.
I think GM and Ford's strategy in the US is just to follow the market, but to continue to build and sell "saloons" everywhere else. The thought being that if and when energy prices go up again, they can import sedans back into the US as required to meet market demand. These are global businesses and they are good at playing the cross-ruff !
That % has every indication of going higher in the US over the next few years. It is no exaggeration to say that the CUV has probably replaced the sedan, at least in the US, for the foreseeable future. Practicality, (ie. interior volume for people and cargo), and the higher seating position these CUV's offer has made body style and ultimate handling capability less important to buyers. Toyota and Honda are still selling sedans in the US but their numbers are going down too, and they are also turning to more CUV's to generate sales. My only concern is that these CUV's all look alike - they are becoming commodities which will make market differentiation very to do hard in the future. Also, people tend to keep them longer - there is no shame in driving an older SUV or CUV, because they all look alike anyway.
I think GM and Ford's strategy in the US is just to follow the market, but to continue to build and sell "saloons" everywhere else. The thought being that if and when energy prices go up again, they can import sedans back into the US as required to meet market demand. These are global businesses and they are good at playing the cross-ruff !
part of this is the crappy mulitples wallmstreet lays on car manufacturers “seen” as car manufacturers..
as stupid as it sounds by moving to cuv s and pickups and abandoning “sedan” manufacturing ...ford and gm are hoping that wall street begins to see them as “Mobility companies” amd delivers higher mulitoles for stock pricing..
its quite evident that with the quick spin off of cruise automation how easy valuations of non “car” comoanies are treated by wall street as opposed to gm or ford “car or sedan” manufacturers...
id say the talk of mobility companies is more aimed at wall streeters valuation reference than profitability on actual automation...
i half kidding yet there is some truth to this perspective
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