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Porsche is always conservative with their 0-60 times. I would bet it will actually be closer to 3.7 or better since a 420 HP 991.2 C2S is a 3.1 car and a 2017 base 911 has already been timed at 3.8.
However, what separates a 911 from a Corvette are several things of importance to a car enthusiast that extends beyond strict acceleration numbers or price. Regardless, the late model 911’s in any form is a very strong performer and is not underestimated by those that know.
The Corvette is a great value proposition... but with the Porsche you don't get paint that falls off the car, you get better fit/finish, and most importantly, you don't have to deal with a Chevy dealer for service.
That said, I'm a Corvette guy for life, but being a picky Corvette guy can be torture at times.
ummm...Camaro owners say the same thing about Corvette owners....
And it's just as stupid there as it is here. The 911 is a great car and the vast majority of owners want it because it's a GREAT car. Sure some buy for ego gratification (just like Corvette) but to lump them (and us) into that non-ego formed, insecure generalization that we need a CAR to help us along in the world is just silly.
EDIT: To the OP: Did you really think Porsche was going to LOWER the price of the 911 by $30,000 because of the C8? Porsche didn't get where they are by getting hysterical every time some new sports car comes out.
And the Camaro drives incredibly well. I liked it better than the 3 series I drove. Too bad that the looks don't match the driving experience IMO. But many folks like the looks.
I would imagine that a refresh in the right way would make it more that world class.
As mentioned before 2 different breed of cars ... those that have owned Porsche’s, like our Vette experience, get what it is all about those that have not.. are just parroting other industry talk ...
One thing is Porsche owners can afford to buy a Corvette. Maney Corvette owners can't afford to buy a Porsche. That's where the "mine is as good as" starts. Envy sucks. Could never understand envy when it comes to cars, I like them all even those I can't afford.
Its unfortunate but car envy is surprising strong here. A forum for people driving a car who's MSRP is almost twice the national car MSRP average.
There are more than a few who own or have owned many Corvettes that have also owned 911s. Porsche fans who claim or somehow believe that Corvette owners can't "afford" Porsches are flatly laughable. Those P-car types need to get a grip and get over themselves. I have personally know a 911 owner who had his house foreclosed because he couldn't pay the mortgage but he kept the 911.
There are more than a few who own or have owned many Corvettes that have also owned 911s. Porsche fans who claim or somehow believe that Corvette owners can't "afford" Porsches are flatly laughable. Those P-car types need to get a grip and get over themselves. I have personally know a 911 owner who had his house foreclosed because he couldn't pay the mortgage but he kept the 911.
You are correct. There are those Corvette owners that can have either or both.......but they aren’t the ones constantly belittling owners of more expensive cars. Those individuals are the ones who can not afford a Porsche.....so therefor they ridicule the car and anyone who owns one. In a word it’s car envy.....why else would they comment or care?
You are correct. There are those Corvette owners that can have either or both.......but they aren’t the ones constantly belittling owners of more expensive cars. Those individuals are the ones who can not afford a Porsche.....so therefor they ridicule the car and anyone who owns one. In a word it’s car envy.....why else would they comment or care?
Got to agree there--you do make a valid point for a lot of the critics.
You are correct. There are those Corvette owners that can have either or both.......but they aren’t the ones constantly belittling owners of more expensive cars. Those individuals are the ones who can not afford a Porsche.....so therefor they ridicule the car and anyone who owns one. In a word it’s car envy.....why else would they comment or care?
Even after I get my C8 Z06 I'll still love Porsches.
These threads crack me up. The masturbation over a new car that has absolutely no proven record in any way has me shaking my head. The Porsche is a PROVEN platform on the track and the showroom floor, the C8 has neither.
For many of you who lack a knowledge of automotive history, there was a car that was supposed to revolutionize the auto industry and it blew up in a bang so large it damn near killed the company that invested in, and produced it.
The company was FORD and the car was the EDSEL.
If you think history can't repeat itself, you're crazy.
I believe that you could have come up with a better example, since the Edsel is the antithesis of the C8. Almost everyone believes the C8 is a gorgeous car, whereas the Edsel was instantly viewed as one of the most hideous cars ever built. So the Edsel didn't fail because of disappointing performance. It failed because no one wanted to be caught dead in such a hideous car.
Yep. I can say one thing about Porsche, they always UNDER estimate actual times.
Whereas GM, Dodge, and Ford always overestimate times.
The Demon never came close to actual times.
I know of no one that ever got 2.95 in a Z06, nor 2.85 in a ZR1.
A friend of mine has a ZR1 (755HP) and he can't go faster than a 3.7 because of so much wheel spin.
Yet, a teeny Porsche with less than 400HP can blow it away 0 to 100MPH.
Yet, the Porsche with PDK will get ideal times every run.
My brother has a Porsche (PDK) and he is always within 1/10th of his fastest time, which is about .5 faster than Porsche advertises.
That's why I'm waiting for real reviews from magazines and forum members here.
If the C8 Z51 can't get lower than 3.2 then I'm probably buying the 911S.
Originally Posted by Dr. ice
Porsche is always conservative with their 0-60 times. I would bet it will actually be closer to 3.7 or better since a 420 HP 991.2 C2S is a 3.1 car and a 2017 base 911 has already been timed at 3.8.
However, what separates a 911 from a Corvette are several things of importance to a car enthusiast that extends beyond strict acceleration numbers or price. Regardless, the late model 911’s in any form is a very strong performer and is not underestimated by those that know.
I believe that you could have come up with a better example, since the Edsel is the antithesis of the C8. Almost everyone believes the C8 is a gorgeous car, whereas the Edsel was instantly viewed as one of the most hideous cars ever built. So the Edsel didn't fail because of disappointing performance. It failed because no one wanted to be caught dead in such a hideous car.
A better example would be...
Did y'all know there was ANOTHER mid engine car produced for $60,000 and was suppose to be a game changer for the supercar market, that all the media raved about it like "who's going to pay 2-3x for a Ferrari when you can pay $60K for this car? And get real mass produced reliability?!"
That car was produced by one of the BIGGEST mass automotive manufacturer IN THE WORLD. No, not as big as GM, but it's not a boutique maker like Lotus or McLaren. After it was revealed everyone thought it was going to destroy the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. Again, who would pay that much money when you can have one of the most reliable mid engine supercars from the manufacturer KNOW for producing some of the most reliable cars in the world?
The first generation Acura NSX was eventually discontinued in mid 2000 due to poor sales, and even though it enjoyed a long, 15+ year production run, it never sold more than a few thousand a year, nor did it ever threaten Lamborghini or Ferrari or Porsche.
Sure, this was nearly 30 years ago and $60K back then is worth a lot more than $60K now. But the NSX was slated to do exactly what y'all claim the C8 would do to competition, yet competition evolved and got BETTER. And people who were shopping Ferraris and Lambos back then continued to shop for those cars, leaving the "affordable supercar" that is the NSX to a small, niche market.
Not saying the C8 is going to go about the same fate, but really. No one is quivering in their boots because of C8. All it's going to do, is either make some of these super car companies take note and build even more extreme versions of their lower trim cars to justify the difference in price, or it's going to excite people who were already going to buy Corvettes anyway, and maybe capture some sales from younger guys who were maybe not considering Chevrolet before due to the stale brand image.
Where those guys come from, may be up to debate, since those that can afford a $90-120K car won't really care about a $60K car. But those looking to spend $50K for a BMW Z4 or $65K a Toyota Supra? Be hard pressed to justify.
You are correct. There are those Corvette owners that can have either or both.......but they aren’t the ones constantly belittling owners of more expensive cars. Those individuals are the ones who can not afford a Porsche.....so therefor they ridicule the car and anyone who owns one. In a word it’s car envy.....why else would they comment or care?
Accismus is a rhetorical device that's been around for millennia, and it's the refusal of something you actually want. Remember the Aesop fable about the hungry fox who tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but failed after repeated attempts?. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.' People who speak disparagingly of things that they cannot attain would do well to apply this story to themselves.
07-30-2019, 11:44 AM
Except the parent company killed all of that with the "Diesel Scandal".. 
