Front engine future
Melting Slicks
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While we don’t know the exact last day of C7 production, several forum vendors have stated last day to order a C7 Coupe is 7/18/19. Expect it’ll roll off BG about 6 weeks later. Verts have already closed.
Since the C8 is ME and C7 FE is ending later this summer doesn’t appear there is a follow on FE in the works. Sure they have never said they won’t, but they’ve also not said a lot of things. If there is a follow on FE, it’d be one of the best kept GM secrets ever since one has never been seen.
Since the C8 is ME and C7 FE is ending later this summer doesn’t appear there is a follow on FE in the works. Sure they have never said they won’t, but they’ve also not said a lot of things. If there is a follow on FE, it’d be one of the best kept GM secrets ever since one has never been seen.
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While we don’t know the exact last day of C7 production, several forum vendors have stated last day to order a C7 Coupe is 7/18/19. Expect it’ll roll off BG about 6 weeks later. Verts have already closed.
Since the C8 is ME and C7 FE is ending later this summer doesn’t appear there is a follow on FE in the works. Sure they have never said they won’t, but they’ve also not said a lot of things. If there is a follow on FE, it’d be one of the best kept GM secrets ever since one has never been seen.
Since the C8 is ME and C7 FE is ending later this summer doesn’t appear there is a follow on FE in the works. Sure they have never said they won’t, but they’ve also not said a lot of things. If there is a follow on FE, it’d be one of the best kept GM secrets ever since one has never been seen.
We do know the last C7 produced will be a Z06 coupe, which is the one whose ownership is being auctioned off 6/28, with the proceeds going to charity.
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I agree with you PCM, if it were the last FE vette ever made, GM would be foolish NOT to make this claim, the car's value would be astronomical, after a 66 year run.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying "the last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
I'm actually surprised so many well educated car guys on this forum are taking such a bold stance against you on this subject given the very careful verbiage GM has chosen to use when describing this "last c7 auction"
To make matters even more interesting, Porsche has said in the past "this is the last manual 911" and those cars brought big money.
Then... they brought the manual back, of course, a few years later... first as a "limited edition" model called the 911 R...
And then brought the manuals back to other models.
So the door is easily wide open for GM to make the same claims, and follow suit. We could not fault them for it when other manufacturers have done the same already.
"this is the last manual corvette after 66 years" "this is the last front engine corvette after 66 years"
and then let a couple of years go by and do what porsche did and say "fine, back by popular demand, here is a manual trans, and/or here is a secondary model vette, a FE car again"
... but that is not even happening
GM has not even claimed yet that the auction is for the last front engine, nor have they said it is for the last manual...
and unless they don't like seeing charities receive millions of dollars, and don't like huge advertizing publicity for their brand when their cars bring big money at auction, these are claims GM SHOULD be making... IF indeed the auction car was either of those 2 claims, let alone BOTH of those claims.
This auctioned car would be fetching over a million dollars easily if either of those 2 claims was made, let alone BOTH... it would be worth millions.
I am amazed everyone on the forum is taking such a strong stance against you PCM, given the current word tracks by Mary and the rest of the GM top brass. I'm genuinely amazed no one is sharp enough to figure these things out on their own, before they write hundreds of posts calling you names and telling you that you are wrong
I would certainly not be arguing with you every thread like they do, ruining this forum on a daily basis with this same argument, that none of us know the answer to.
I see it as a coin flip given the specific word tracks that GM has been using.
And now that c7 ordering goes up until the exact day of the c8 reveal...?.... I think it is more evidence that aligns with the possibility something FE is going to continue, even if it is only a c7 for another few months until the c8 is indeed being produced.
Its a topic no one knows the answer to yet.... yet so many are so adamant that they do. It's like listening to a political debate, or religion.
and this forum is ruined by those people. You have your opinion PCM, and your hopes... but its a debate, none of us know the answer to.
But you would think everyone had a perfect crystal ball on the subject, the way they all choose to talk to you each day.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying "the last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
I'm actually surprised so many well educated car guys on this forum are taking such a bold stance against you on this subject given the very careful verbiage GM has chosen to use when describing this "last c7 auction"
To make matters even more interesting, Porsche has said in the past "this is the last manual 911" and those cars brought big money.
Then... they brought the manual back, of course, a few years later... first as a "limited edition" model called the 911 R...
And then brought the manuals back to other models.
So the door is easily wide open for GM to make the same claims, and follow suit. We could not fault them for it when other manufacturers have done the same already.
"this is the last manual corvette after 66 years" "this is the last front engine corvette after 66 years"
and then let a couple of years go by and do what porsche did and say "fine, back by popular demand, here is a manual trans, and/or here is a secondary model vette, a FE car again"
... but that is not even happening
GM has not even claimed yet that the auction is for the last front engine, nor have they said it is for the last manual...
and unless they don't like seeing charities receive millions of dollars, and don't like huge advertizing publicity for their brand when their cars bring big money at auction, these are claims GM SHOULD be making... IF indeed the auction car was either of those 2 claims, let alone BOTH of those claims.
This auctioned car would be fetching over a million dollars easily if either of those 2 claims was made, let alone BOTH... it would be worth millions.
I am amazed everyone on the forum is taking such a strong stance against you PCM, given the current word tracks by Mary and the rest of the GM top brass. I'm genuinely amazed no one is sharp enough to figure these things out on their own, before they write hundreds of posts calling you names and telling you that you are wrong
I would certainly not be arguing with you every thread like they do, ruining this forum on a daily basis with this same argument, that none of us know the answer to.
I see it as a coin flip given the specific word tracks that GM has been using.
And now that c7 ordering goes up until the exact day of the c8 reveal...?.... I think it is more evidence that aligns with the possibility something FE is going to continue, even if it is only a c7 for another few months until the c8 is indeed being produced.
Its a topic no one knows the answer to yet.... yet so many are so adamant that they do. It's like listening to a political debate, or religion.
and this forum is ruined by those people. You have your opinion PCM, and your hopes... but its a debate, none of us know the answer to.
But you would think everyone had a perfect crystal ball on the subject, the way they all choose to talk to you each day.
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I agree with you PCM, if it were the last FE vette ever made, GM would be foolish NOT to make this claim, the car's value would be astronomical, after a 66 year run.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying the "last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
I'm actually surprised so many people on this forum are taking such a bold stance against you on this subject given the very careful verbiage GM has chosen to use when describing this "last c7 auction"
To make matters even more interesting, Porsche has said in the past "this is the last manual 911" and those cars brought big money.
Then... they brought the manual back, of course, a few years later... first as a "limited edition" model called the 911 R...
And then brought the manuals back to other models.
So the door is open for GM to make the same claims, and follow suit.
"this is the last manual corvette" "this is the last front engine corvette"
and then let a couple of years go by and do what porsche did and say "fine, back by popular demand, here is a manual trans, and here is a secondary model vette, a FE car again"
... but that is not even happening. GM has not claimed the auction is for the last front engine, nor have they said it is for the last manual...
and unless they don't like seeing charities receive millions of dollars, these are claims they SHOULD be making... IF indeed the auction car was either of those 2 claims, let alone BOTH of those claims.
This auctioned car would be fetching over a million dollars easily if either of those 2 claims were made, let alone BOTH... it would be worth millions.
I am amazed everyone on the forum is taking such a strong stance against you PCM, given the current word tracks by Mary and the rest of the GM big brass.
I would certainly not be arguing with you every thread like they do, I see it as a coin flip given the specific word tracks that they have been using, and now that c7 ordering goes up until the exact day of the c8 reveal, I think it is more evidence that aligns with the possibility something FE is going to continue, even if it is only a c7 for another 6 months until the c8 is indeed being produced.
Its a topic no one knows the answer to yet.... yet so many are so adamant that they do. It's like listening to a political debate, or religion.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying the "last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
I'm actually surprised so many people on this forum are taking such a bold stance against you on this subject given the very careful verbiage GM has chosen to use when describing this "last c7 auction"
To make matters even more interesting, Porsche has said in the past "this is the last manual 911" and those cars brought big money.
Then... they brought the manual back, of course, a few years later... first as a "limited edition" model called the 911 R...
And then brought the manuals back to other models.
So the door is open for GM to make the same claims, and follow suit.
"this is the last manual corvette" "this is the last front engine corvette"
and then let a couple of years go by and do what porsche did and say "fine, back by popular demand, here is a manual trans, and here is a secondary model vette, a FE car again"
... but that is not even happening. GM has not claimed the auction is for the last front engine, nor have they said it is for the last manual...
and unless they don't like seeing charities receive millions of dollars, these are claims they SHOULD be making... IF indeed the auction car was either of those 2 claims, let alone BOTH of those claims.
This auctioned car would be fetching over a million dollars easily if either of those 2 claims were made, let alone BOTH... it would be worth millions.
I am amazed everyone on the forum is taking such a strong stance against you PCM, given the current word tracks by Mary and the rest of the GM big brass.
I would certainly not be arguing with you every thread like they do, I see it as a coin flip given the specific word tracks that they have been using, and now that c7 ordering goes up until the exact day of the c8 reveal, I think it is more evidence that aligns with the possibility something FE is going to continue, even if it is only a c7 for another 6 months until the c8 is indeed being produced.
Its a topic no one knows the answer to yet.... yet so many are so adamant that they do. It's like listening to a political debate, or religion.
Yep....my cousin bought into that crap about "the last...…". She bought a new 1976 Cadillac convertible because GM said it was the last Cadillac convertible. She still has it, and it's not worth that much. Didn't Cadillac bring out a convertible after they built the "last Cadillac convertible".
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I agree with you PCM, if it were the last FE vette ever made, GM would be foolish NOT to make this claim, the car's value would be astronomical, after a 66 year run.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying the "last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
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Instead, they are very deliberately saying the "last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
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If GM leads bidders to believe that this last C7 is the last FE and/or the last manual trans when it is not, then that would create a lot of legal problems. Conversely, if GM does not disclose that this C7 is the last FE and/or last manual trans, then many potential bidders are going to be angry about not bidding on a very valuable car. GM is walking a very fine line here.
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It's statements like "auction is somewhat of a fraud," that is the type of nonsense that folks are taking exception with. GM clearly stated "last C7 built" and nothing else. There is no legal issue, it's crystal clear.
A number of people including me have said repeatedly said here that, of course, an FE Corvette COULD come back at some point in the future. Obviously, GM is not going to speak in absolute terms about an uncertain future. Having said that, it is pretty crystal clear that GM has no current plans to produce an FE Corvette in the foreseeable future.
Equally obvious is that if the ME flops, Corvette will either go away, GM will try again with a more desirable ME design, or Corvette could return to it's traditional format. None of that is part of any current plan, and future plans will be developed based upon what happens in the market going forward.
PCM should start a thread with his C9 predictions right now. That should be entertaining.
A number of people including me have said repeatedly said here that, of course, an FE Corvette COULD come back at some point in the future. Obviously, GM is not going to speak in absolute terms about an uncertain future. Having said that, it is pretty crystal clear that GM has no current plans to produce an FE Corvette in the foreseeable future.
Equally obvious is that if the ME flops, Corvette will either go away, GM will try again with a more desirable ME design, or Corvette could return to it's traditional format. None of that is part of any current plan, and future plans will be developed based upon what happens in the market going forward.
PCM should start a thread with his C9 predictions right now. That should be entertaining.
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I agree with you PCM, if it were the last FE vette ever made, GM would be foolish NOT to make this claim, the car's value would be astronomical, after a 66 year run.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying "the last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
I'm actually surprised so many well educated car guys on this forum are taking such a bold stance against you on this subject given the very careful verbiage GM has chosen to use when describing this "last c7 auction"
To make matters even more interesting, Porsche has said in the past "this is the last manual 911" and those cars brought big money.
Then... they brought the manual back, of course, a few years later... first as a "limited edition" model called the 911 R...
And then brought the manuals back to other models.
So the door is easily wide open for GM to make the same claims, and follow suit. We could not fault them for it when other manufacturers have done the same already.
"this is the last manual corvette after 66 years" "this is the last front engine corvette after 66 years"
and then let a couple of years go by and do what porsche did and say "fine, back by popular demand, here is a manual trans, and/or here is a secondary model vette, a FE car again"
... but that is not even happening
GM has not claimed the auction is for the last front engine, nor have they said it is for the last manual...
and unless they don't like seeing charities receive millions of dollars, these are claims GM SHOULD be making... IF indeed the auction car was either of those 2 claims, let alone BOTH of those claims.
This auctioned car would be fetching over a million dollars easily if either of those 2 claims was made, let alone BOTH... it would be worth millions.
I am amazed everyone on the forum is taking such a strong stance against you PCM, given the current word tracks by Mary and the rest of the GM top brass.
I would certainly not be arguing with you every thread like they do, I see it as a coin flip given the specific word tracks that they have been using, and now that c7 ordering goes up until the exact day of the c8 reveal, I think it is more evidence that aligns with the possibility something FE is going to continue, even if it is only a c7 for another 6 months until the c8 is indeed being produced.
Its a topic no one knows the answer to yet.... yet so many are so adamant that they do. It's like listening to a political debate, or religion.
Instead, they are very deliberately saying "the last c7 ever made, and the end of the c7".... no mention of the last front engine vette after 66 years.
I'm actually surprised so many well educated car guys on this forum are taking such a bold stance against you on this subject given the very careful verbiage GM has chosen to use when describing this "last c7 auction"
To make matters even more interesting, Porsche has said in the past "this is the last manual 911" and those cars brought big money.
Then... they brought the manual back, of course, a few years later... first as a "limited edition" model called the 911 R...
And then brought the manuals back to other models.
So the door is easily wide open for GM to make the same claims, and follow suit. We could not fault them for it when other manufacturers have done the same already.
"this is the last manual corvette after 66 years" "this is the last front engine corvette after 66 years"
and then let a couple of years go by and do what porsche did and say "fine, back by popular demand, here is a manual trans, and/or here is a secondary model vette, a FE car again"
... but that is not even happening
GM has not claimed the auction is for the last front engine, nor have they said it is for the last manual...
and unless they don't like seeing charities receive millions of dollars, these are claims GM SHOULD be making... IF indeed the auction car was either of those 2 claims, let alone BOTH of those claims.
This auctioned car would be fetching over a million dollars easily if either of those 2 claims was made, let alone BOTH... it would be worth millions.
I am amazed everyone on the forum is taking such a strong stance against you PCM, given the current word tracks by Mary and the rest of the GM top brass.
I would certainly not be arguing with you every thread like they do, I see it as a coin flip given the specific word tracks that they have been using, and now that c7 ordering goes up until the exact day of the c8 reveal, I think it is more evidence that aligns with the possibility something FE is going to continue, even if it is only a c7 for another 6 months until the c8 is indeed being produced.
Its a topic no one knows the answer to yet.... yet so many are so adamant that they do. It's like listening to a political debate, or religion.
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So this auction is somewhat of a fraud: if the last C7 is not the last FE and the C7.5 is just around the corner, the last C7 is not very valuable. But if it is the last FE ever, then that last C7 would be extremely valuable. Only GM knows the truth and if it does not disclose it, there could be a lot of trouble.
What is the insistence on mixing last FE with the last C7 to be produced? There will be no more C7's after this. The only other brand new Corvette to be announced and confirmed for production by GM is an ME C8. Whatever else GM decides to develop including a jet powered Corvette is totally up to the powers that be within GM.
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Melting Slicks
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There are dozens of statements on this thread claiming that the FE Corvette is dead and gone. If it is not, then many knowledgeable people have been deceived about a highly material fact. Holding an auction knowing you are deceiving bidders about a material fact is fraud. I wouldn't do it if I were doing the auction because the legal problems could be very significant. If you think that is nonsense, you are wrong.
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It says...The Last C7 (to be built later) will be auctioned for charity...Do they really need to spell out, the Last 'Front Engine' C7 in order for you to understand it's the same thing. Unless you know of a non-FE C7, then the Last C7 means the Last FE C7 means no more FE. .
The last front engine c7, is a given, because c7's were only front engines.
But, If they wanted the auction to bring big money, they WOULD BE saying LAST FRONT ENGINE VETTE EVER.
and LAST MANUAL TRANSMISSION VETTE EVER.
But they are not. And you guys think it means nothing.
When reality is, it would mean GM is horrible at advertizing, and horrible at generating money for charity, and horrible at making headlines and horrible at making history...
or it means its not the last front engine, and it's not the last manual... and that's why they are NOT making those claims.
This is not brain surgery guys.
So pick your choice above and below...
is GM not smart enough to make those 2 claims after 66 years for a grand finale FE/Manual transmission Corvette auction which would fetch a million+ dollars?...
or is GM smart enough to not make those claims, because they don't want to tick off their top bidder (Hendrick) when it becomes known that neither one of those 2 claims are in fact true?
(I wouldn't want to **** him off, nor the person who has the money to outbid him)Pick 1
There's only 2 choices here
I'm amazed so many intelligent people don't realize it all boils down to one of these 2 options.
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There are dozens of statements on this thread claiming that the FE Corvette is dead and gone. If it is not, then many knowledgeable people have been deceived about a highly material fact. Holding an auction knowing you are deceiving bidders about a material fact is fraud. I wouldn't do it if I were doing the auction because the legal problems could be very significant. If you think that is nonsense, you are wrong.
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There are dozens of statements on this thread claiming that the FE Corvette is dead and gone. If it is not, then many knowledgeable people have been deceived about a highly material fact. Holding an auction knowing you are deceiving bidders about a material fact is fraud. I wouldn't do it if I were doing the auction because the legal problems could be very significant. If you think that is nonsense, you are wrong.
The FE is "dead and gone" for now. 6,8,10 years from now, who knows? GM doesn't know either.
Future decisions will be dependent upon how well the ME sells and performs. It would be absolutely stupid for GM to limit their options to reverse course or change directions in the future. That's what smart companies do, they go back to the drawing board if something doesn't work out.
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GM smart enough to not make those claims, because they don't want to tick off their top bidder (Hendrick) when it becomes known that neither one of those 2 claims are in fact true? (I wouldn't want to **** him off, or the person who has the money to outbid him)
Pick 1
(I wouldn't want to **** him off, or the person who has the money to outbid him)Pick 1
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When the final C7 Corvette rolls off the assembly line at Bowling Green Assembly, it will put an end to the Corvette’s long-running history as a front-engine, rear-wheel drive car, with the Corvette C8 set to move to a mid-engine platform. The next-gen Corvette will make its debut on July 18, so the C7 Corvette will likely go out of production sometime this summer.
Source: Barrett-Jackson
Photos via Barrett-Jackson
Source: Barrett-Jackson
Photos via Barrett-Jackson
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When the final C7 Corvette rolls off the assembly line at Bowling Green Assembly, it will put an end to the Corvette’s long-running history as a front-engine, rear-wheel drive car, with the Corvette C8 set to move to a mid-engine platform. The next-gen Corvette will make its debut on July 18, so the C7 Corvette will likely go out of production sometime this summer.
Source: Barrett-Jackson
Photos via Barrett-Jackson
Source: Barrett-Jackson
Photos via Barrett-Jackson
no, not yet. You just cited an article written by someone who could be making the same ignorant assumptions the rest of you are.
We dont KNOW yet what is happening. Arguing with PCM about it every day is a horrible use of your time.
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And if GM clarifies and says it is the last FE vette for auction, then that will be great and we will know at that time...
but as of this moment in time, GM has not. They continually say the last c7. No mention of front engine, no mention of manual transmission.
Yet all of you KNOW they are both over.
It gets old reading your stuff... every... single... day.... when you don't KNOW what you are talking about, and its still a coin flip as of today, 6/12/19
but as of this moment in time, GM has not. They continually say the last c7. No mention of front engine, no mention of manual transmission.
Yet all of you KNOW they are both over.
It gets old reading your stuff... every... single... day.... when you don't KNOW what you are talking about, and its still a coin flip as of today, 6/12/19
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B) There is a big difference between having no current future plans to make a FE Corvette, and coming out and forcefully stating there will never be another.
C) The auction will bring big money regardless. People aren't bidding on this to own the last (well, OK, they are), they are bidding on it as a charitable tax write off.
Also, it is getting built to the winner's specs, so it may not even be a manual
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GM cannot be held responsible for what outside orgs like Car & Driver and Barrett-Jackson say.
Many of us are old enough to remember the "last convertible forever" in 1976. It was for a long period of time, and a GM spokesperson clearly implied gone forever. Things change. Interesting read below. As the article says, "as soon as they were gone, people started craving them again."
The Last Convertible
Many of us are old enough to remember the "last convertible forever" in 1976. It was for a long period of time, and a GM spokesperson clearly implied gone forever. Things change. Interesting read below. As the article says, "as soon as they were gone, people started craving them again."
The Last Convertible
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