Front engine future
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Fair enough, I did say that. You got me. I should have said I am not opposed to anyone going and getting him and asking him about the car... I don't think it is something he would forget.
But I'm not going to track him down all just for this. If there is anyone here to does contact him frequently, feel free to bring up the car, and see if he remembers. The time was around 2009 if I recall
But I'm not going to track him down all just for this. If there is anyone here to does contact him frequently, feel free to bring up the car, and see if he remembers. The time was around 2009 if I recall
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Then when they countered me, rather than split hairs with them, I saw it their way, and let them have their win.
You could make yourself useful and go get him.
But since you haven't been useful once to me yet during my time on this forum, If you add me to your ignore list, you will never have to read another thing I write... nor will I have to respond to you.
There are a lot of people on this forum in a lot of threads that I think are wrong about a lot of things, but guess what, they aren't worth my time, and I don't talk to them.
If you are so confident I have no idea what I'm talking about ever, then I should not be worth your time... block me please.
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I can't believe an "emerging vendor" is willing to have a troll war (and be on the losing side) on the forum in which he plans to do business on.
Good luck with that!
Btw, from what I have heard there will be no front engine model. The ME was meant and known to stir up some hard liners, but the team wanted it that way.
Good luck with that!
Btw, from what I have heard there will be no front engine model. The ME was meant and known to stir up some hard liners, but the team wanted it that way.
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Melting Slicks
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Does anyone think the new Supra will be a market failure? How about the various FE BMWs with their M badges?
Someone should ask Tadge or Mary B. if Corvette is going to cede the FE market of 30K sports cars/year to Toyota and BMW. Why has nobody at GM specifically said the FE Corvette is history? Seems like it would be easy enough to say if it were true.
Someone should ask Tadge or Mary B. if Corvette is going to cede the FE market of 30K sports cars/year to Toyota and BMW. Why has nobody at GM specifically said the FE Corvette is history? Seems like it would be easy enough to say if it were true.
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This is not gossip. Won't say my source, but I called the engine line up before it was even a thing.
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Does anyone think the new Supra will be a market failure? How about the various FE BMWs with their M badges?
Someone should ask Tadge or Mary B. if Corvette is going to cede the FE market of 30K sports cars/year to Toyota and BMW. Why has nobody at GM specifically said the FE Corvette is history? Seems like it would be easy enough to say if it were true.
Someone should ask Tadge or Mary B. if Corvette is going to cede the FE market of 30K sports cars/year to Toyota and BMW. Why has nobody at GM specifically said the FE Corvette is history? Seems like it would be easy enough to say if it were true.
Melting Slicks
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Tell me you're joking right now...The official C8 site goes into great detail about the C8 ME being the evolution. Not to mention, they officially announced the LAST C7 would be auctioned to Charity. Not to mention orders for them are announced as closing shortly. FE is DEAD.
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Does anyone think the new Supra will be a market failure? How about the various FE BMWs with their M badges?
Someone should ask Tadge or Mary B. if Corvette is going to cede the FE market of 30K sports cars/year to Toyota and BMW. Why has nobody at GM specifically said the FE Corvette is history? Seems like it would be easy enough to say if it were true.
Someone should ask Tadge or Mary B. if Corvette is going to cede the FE market of 30K sports cars/year to Toyota and BMW. Why has nobody at GM specifically said the FE Corvette is history? Seems like it would be easy enough to say if it were true.
Moreover, you simply cannot seem to grasp the notion that buying an ME or an FE Corvette is an either/or proposition. 30-50K annual Corvette sales is the only reasonable forecast, because of the limited 2-seater market. With both in the lineup, best case scenario is that total annual Corvette sales for each model are cut in half, for net equivalent annual sales, but each model is now more expensive because of reduced economy of scale. Higher price further cuts sales. Worst case is that one of the platforms is a sales failure, for even deeper financial bleeding.
Neither of those cases works for GM.
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Melting Slicks
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Your post above is a perfect example of your long-demonstrated, perpetual inability to apply logic, as well as your lack of understanding of vehicle market trends. The above post suggests that you've ineptly concluded that a simple change in engine position is going to move 30K Corvette sales to another FE brand. That's just nuts.
Moreover, you simply cannot seem to grasp the notion that buying an ME or an FE Corvette is an either/or proposition. 30-50K annual Corvette sales is the only reasonable forecast, because of the limited 2-seater market. With both in the lineup, best case scenario is that total annual Corvette sales for each model are cut in half, for net equivalent annual sales, but each model is now more expensive because of reduced economy of scale. Worst case is that one of the platforms is a sales failure, for even deeper financial bleeding.
Moreover, you simply cannot seem to grasp the notion that buying an ME or an FE Corvette is an either/or proposition. 30-50K annual Corvette sales is the only reasonable forecast, because of the limited 2-seater market. With both in the lineup, best case scenario is that total annual Corvette sales for each model are cut in half, for net equivalent annual sales, but each model is now more expensive because of reduced economy of scale. Worst case is that one of the platforms is a sales failure, for even deeper financial bleeding.
Your "analysis" for Corvette sales completely ignores the success Porsche has had with multiple models for the past 20 years. You also ignore Porsche's experience of moving its rear engine to front. Facts are not your friend.
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And Chevrolet/GM has had multiple models for 60+ years longer than that, including both RE (Corvair) and ME (Fiero) models.
As for your laughable suggestion that no one from GM has definitively used the words "no more FE" as evidence that it's still in play, it should be obvious that some things simply don't need to be said. End of C7 order dates have been announced, and no one should have to tell you that the sun will rise in east tomorrow, as that generally goes unsaid as well.
Facts are tripped over and trampled upon by you, does that make them your friend?
As for your laughable suggestion that no one from GM has definitively used the words "no more FE" as evidence that it's still in play, it should be obvious that some things simply don't need to be said. End of C7 order dates have been announced, and no one should have to tell you that the sun will rise in east tomorrow, as that generally goes unsaid as well.
Facts are tripped over and trampled upon by you, does that make them your friend?
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I just spoke to my doctor. He's agreed to put me in a medically induced coma until 7/18....
Anyone that thinks there is another FE Corvette in the foreseeable future is delusional. Wishing it so doesn't change reality.
Anyone that thinks there is another FE Corvette in the foreseeable future is delusional. Wishing it so doesn't change reality.
Melting Slicks
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Guess what the Supra and M-series arent? A premier two seat American sports car.
People dont buy the Corvette because it is FE. They buy it because it is a world-class two seat American sports car that is affordable to most. Those sales numbers won't change regardless of the engine location or architecture.
I don't think the Corvette is going to suffer much by being DCT only, yet I still think they'll lose ten times the sales over that than not having a FE variant.
People dont buy the Corvette because it is FE. They buy it because it is a world-class two seat American sports car that is affordable to most. Those sales numbers won't change regardless of the engine location or architecture.
I don't think the Corvette is going to suffer much by being DCT only, yet I still think they'll lose ten times the sales over that than not having a FE variant.
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So you think Supra and Z4 will be failures in the market? Maybe Corvette will abandon the reasonably priced FE sports car market because it cannot compete with Supra and Z4. That would at least make some sense as opposed to the "logic" others are deluding themselves with around here.