LOL, which BTW was limited by rule to about 500HP.

 

wut "majority"...most of you old dudes just drive them around your Arizona golf course sun city communities as long as it has a cup holder for your half frozen bottle of water your be set.

 

right, but I was not going to say that he said mine was completely faster, as then the ignorant people in the crowd would lose their minds, and this thread would become a nightmare.

Courses with long enough straights, he said my car would win.

 

And I'm sure yours would have run for 24 Hours no problem.

 

Viper ACR ran 7:01 FWIW. Could have done sub 7:00 I'm sure of it, but just never got it right.

 

But be fair and consider the whole reason why.

Why wouldn't someone run a FI Corvette in NASA TT? An ~800 whp Corvette would kinda run in the "banned class" unless they just ran a big motor and lots of weight, which is completely uncompetitive. Not common to see ~800hp cars in TT for that reason, and even if you do, how many at a single event? One? What fun is that? Even if you win?

Why wouldn't someone run a FI Corvette in NASA Road Racing? To start off with... what series would they run in? Assuming NASA Super Unlimited, how many racers show up to an average event in that class? At least here in Texas, not many. So you might win (and if all you have is big power, you might not do that, you might lose to a car in a lower class/series), but it's more fun to be racing versus just driving fast.

So yes, I've seen people start tracking with the big HP cars and then start racing or TTing with lower power cars, but its not because the high HP car is too much to handle, it has generally always broken down to operating costs, build costs (go up in class, the price is exponential) and number of entries.

 

To be fair... a grand total of 8 cars have gone under 7. Two of those are "street cars" only in the broadest sense (the Radicals). Excluding those two, the oldest car to do it is a 2013 model year AWD hybrid. And every single one of the Lamborghini conducted tests were... conducted by Lamborghini.. so who knows what Tom foolery happened. Same story for the Porsche tests, and Porsche has been busted in the past with bringing/sending ringers to track tests.

So, kinda gotta take those times with a grain of salt.

The two Radical laps were timed by Sport Auto, so legit. The ACR time was by Road & Track, I'd imagine it was a legit time as well.

RE: Porsche lap.

Look at the GT3 RS's time at 6:56 done by Porsche. Then a few rows down, Sport Auto tested a GT3 RS and ran 7:05. Now, the Porsche time says the car was running "OEM Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R 'N0'" and nothing specific was said about the tires on the Sport Auto car, so that could explain it... or not.

 

I think one thing is very clear . GM went to Rear mid engine after 66 year of successful sales with a the front engine rear drive platform.

I cannot for one minute believe GM would spend the hundreds of millions of dollars and the risk of acceptance by the customer base if there was any doubt that they would not have a much better sports car by going mid engine.

So even though we have guys like MIKEC7Z AKA BBB claim that they know more than GM engineering team it's clear GM made the change because it would advance the Corvette as a world class performance sports car.

I again think once guys who have never driven a mid engine V8 with a well sorted DCT drive the C8 GM won't be able to build them fast enough.

I also think GM may be bold and price the car at $69,999.00 because the car will sell even with a 10k price increase over the C7.

When the magazine and Web site test the C8 and rave about what a great handling car it is and how much better driving dynamics the car has people will go and buy the car.

I just hope GM spends a little more in interior so we get a complete car inside and out.

 

absolutely not... but neither would the 650hp c7 z for 2 years in 2015 and 16, so why am I ashamed?

I had an awesome car, was it perfect? no. But was it better than what most people in this thread believe a FE car is capable of being? Absolutely.

Don't believe everything Tadge tells you, as Tool Hoarder mentioned, he is a politician, he lies to get his way when those lies further his agenda.

Being "Mr Mid Engine Corvette" is his dream and his goal. He wants to go down in history. If GM said they can't do both an FE and ME at the same time, then Tadge's path is a simple one... discredit and belittle the FE at any opportunity. The ME is his only priority right now.

 

If you can get Ron Fellows to vouch for you (on a website knowingly owned and operated by his company, not a new user profile here) on that being the single best non-race Corvette he had touched at that point, and no car could hang with you driving it, I will personally apologise for doubting you and never again doubt a word you say.

 

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Im not going to argue with you, everything you just put in red is wrong.

Putting a more agressive spoiler on the back of a car and not having more downforce on the front to balance, absolutely causes the rear tires to get more grip than the front and the car becomes out of balance.

The wing also causes the rear tires' grip to become very digital, either you have grip or you dont. The caster setting of the c6 may have also been a contributor, but just like you dont see indy and formula 1 cars do nice soft drifts and then come back softly, neither does any car on pavement when they have a large wing on the back. The "come-backs" are very quick and sharp and violent snap oversteer.

I can't continue with you my friend, I am sorry, anyone who honestly thinks every line i wrote is wrong, is on a mission. And you've lost my respect because of it.

Go buy a car or build one as described... drive it. Then report back.

Until then, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

No, I read you correctly. By saying what you did, you are implying that other people have said that the FE is no longer viable. You would never say "don't think (blah blah blah)" unless you believe someone actually thinks that.

So, where did anyone say a FE is no longer viable?

 

At the time of him setting up the car, i was not as good of a driver as I was even 6 months later.

I thought his setup was wrong in the beginning to be honest with you.

I liked a stock c6z's ride better.

As i mentioned, a person had to really slam the car into a curve and it would open up a whole other side to the car.

I said he said that it was the fastest c6 car he had said he had driven to date, and his compliments were for his driving skills in that car, apples to apples against any other c6 at the time that he knew of.

I said I then, took that car, and was able to embarrass "know-it-alls" at race tracks, who underestimated what 1000hp actually meant, and what pfadt coil over suspension meant, and a park bench wing and large front splitter meant... and a car lowered a couple inches due to the coil overs meant...

and 345 mpss meant, when goodyear were the go-to treaded tire at the time.

I never said he paid me the compliment that I am the fastest driver in any c6.

I said he said mine was the fastest he had driven.

I'm not going to chase him down to get him in here..

"hey mr Fellows, the black lingenfelter car with the big wing, the one you signed the dash, will you come tell the doubters on the forum it was the fastest one you had driven at the time, thanks, it will help me look cool if you do and then everyone will believe me"

You can track him down and get him in here and embarrass yourself if you want.

In the meantime, if you have a hard time believing that a car with power levels over 750hp as a zr1 has today....

would turn better lap times on mpss than 550hp z06 with slicks would turn...

then I don't know what to tell you. And yes, 750 is 250 shy of what my car had, so that other 250 is the icing on the cake.

You should be agreeing that a 750 hp z06 would walk a 550z06... even with a 2 or 3-second tire disadvantage...

but you aren't.

So go get Ron Fellows and have him explain it to you, and bring him here if he wants to come, it is fine with me.

Also, in case it's not clicking yet... turbo cars make huge torque very early when they have properly sized turbos. So not only did I have 1000hp, I had almost double/triple the torque down low... much like the C7 z06 and zr1 have at 2000rpm vs the c6 z06.

My car made 800 ft lbs of torque... at the wheels.

I would deliberately leave the car in a taller gear, as it avoided a shift, and it also kept the back end manageable out of the curve, and I was still on the limit, but then as the car would come up in RPM, more and more power was created for the straight section after the curve.

The car was like cheating at the time, no one had anything like it.

 

done both and yes you can drift a big wing car smoothly. The violent snap you see in indy and f1 cars has nothing to do with the wing. its due to lifting off the throttle suddenly. but what do i know, ive only worked with nascar, indy and imsa cars as well as local shorttrack sportsman, late models and modifieds.

 

so you as a new road racer schooled seasoned racers on stuff that was in use for 40+years.

 

And i know some people who sweep floors at nasa... but i don't trust that they know how the space shuttle works or why.

I disagree with you.

A wing on the rear, and downforce on the rear, causes a racecar to push.

If you don't know this, then metaphorically speaking you are a floor sweeper. No 2 ways about it. This is fast car 101 stuff, let alone race car 101

 

I suspect it is a mis-translation of something Tadge Juechter and other GM execs have said at various times over the last year or so. What they really said (paraphrased) was that they have extracted just about all they can get out of the current FE platform. That could be interpreted any number of ways. You could qualify it by saying based upon what we know now, we've extracted as much as we know how. Obviously new suspension, tire, and other technology may allow more in the future.

I think the real point was if you want to hang with your contemporaries in the high performance 2-seater world, the easiest way to get better today is to go ME.

 

Mike you the one who OFFERED to get Ron Fellows to come vouch for your claim that your is the fastest C6 he driven short of a race car.

Remember you said We whom ever we are which might be confusing for you sense you claim to be BBB one day and Mike C7 on prior days but. You always say we ..


Anyway your the one who was going to embarrass everyone by having Ron vouch for you.

Typical Mike you get called out to do so then tell other to go find Ron when it's you who offered to have him vouch for you.

Like all your post your just full of BS. If Your buddies with Ron have him post.

Once a proven liar always a liar but seeing how you can't admit who you really are no one is surprised it's just more BS spewed by a big shot on the Internet.