Yes, you have to drive race cars fast, and their suspension setups are uncomfortable at most speeds. I had the misfortune of transiting shotgun in a fully prepped open class WRX in a rally once, that was the most miserable I've been in a car for a half hour or more. As to having a beast of a car no one can keep up with, it only goes so far. I watched a bunch of GM Performance Driving guys get bested in Toledo last weekend in AutoX in a Z06, beaten by the likes of Focus STs driven by far more competent drivers, who were subsequently bested by the old guy instructor in the group in the same Z06.

You said you were going to get him to vouch for you. I don't know the guy, have never met him, haven't even been to one of the racing schools named after him. I'd have no idea how to even get in contact with him, let alone ask him about your car that I've never seen or know anything about.

 

Fair enough, I did say that. You got me. I should have said I am not opposed to anyone going and getting him and asking him about the car... I don't think it is something he would forget.

But I'm not going to track him down all just for this. If there is anyone here to does contact him frequently, feel free to bring up the car, and see if he remembers. The time was around 2009 if I recall

 

Post some vids of your car. I’d love to see a TT monster going through twisties. What twins are you running and supporting mods? I don’t know what I want to do with c6 ZR1 yet. I’m thinking of making it a track focused car. So, id definitely like to know your setup if the cars running that fast.

 

lingenfelter capped the car at 800 at the crank. The car had boost leaks. We fixed the boost leeks and realized we were out of fuel. I made my own custom dual pump hanger for the car at first. Later, I purchased an RSI tripple pump (like what Fore has today) Then we turned the boost up even more.

I would only run 2 of the 3 pumps in the tank. The third was there for a backup in case one of the other 2 failed. I taught all my friends this. it is the most economical long-term way to choose to do an in-tank setup, because the labor is avoided of dropping a tank when a pump fails, plus the diagnosis of a failed pump becomes easy as pie.

It works like this...

you put a separate fuse on each pumps wiring harness. All 3 pumps merge into a collector before going to the -10 fuel line.

The pumps all have a built-in check valve, so fuel can't flow backward through them when they are "off". I think RSI had a check valve in the hanger collector for each also, i forget.

Anyway, with 2 pumps on, and the fuse pulled on the third, the car would make enough fuel to support 1000hp.

Then, IF one of the fuel pumps ever failed, I had fail safes tuned into the car to basically put it into limp mode in the ECU and shut the car down if it sensed fuel pressure drop below 55psi I think it was.

So once we had that all set up, if a fuel pump failed, all a person had to do was pull over, let the car idle, and see if pulling each of the 2 fuses had an impact.

If pulling 1 of the fuses kills the car, then you knew the other pump had failed. So when you unplug that fuse in the other pump, and you put a fuse into the 3rd pump, then away you go... problem solved in less than 5 min.

RSI had never seen anything like this before, and they fought with me every step of the way because it required them to make custom wiring harnesses, all with independent fuses in a spot I could easily get to while the car was on the side of the road with no jacking it or removing body panels... the convenience is priceless.

2 things that suck in my life... 1... one of my laptops was stolen. It was in my closet, had all the videos from that era. Really makes me angry because most of them I did not put up on the internet due to fear (most were on streets, not on race tracks)

2, I never had a camera mounted in the car, it was always hand filmed stuff with a cell phone or nice camera.

Mike has posted videos of the car in the past. I'm the one he spoke of that got caught on top of a mountain in a blizzard. That was the car....

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Lingenfelter would know the turbos they used. I have a couple spares somewhere ironically. Keep in mind, your c6zr1 has less displacement, correct? So you will make a little less power, but its still a better setup than the blower imo.

I will have to dig for other videos of the car, maybe i have some on an old phone. Here the car is in 6th gear, or 5th at the lowerst, but i believe it was 6th.

I had the back end kicked out about a foot in a sustained "slight drift" just by staying on the throttle full throttle in the taller gear.

once I learned how to drive it in the taller gears and be able to sustain high speed mediocre accelerations, the car became magical, i never had to shift hardly.

The car was quiet, quieter than stock, corsa mufflers and turbos made it quiet.

Had a mild cam, nothing noticeable to hear really, especially with the turbos dimming everything. The car had a turbo porsche sound to it while in taller gears at heavy throttle, kind of a higher pitch whine.

But it just had so much torque, you could put your foot down in any gear and it would just begin to move. This is a pretty severe road height transition the last section of the curve, and I'm familiar with it, and not overreacting when the car goes out sideways is key, the road is such that it dives, but then ramps up, and it feels like the car is going to go airborne and all grip will be lost. When this happens, most people try to steer wide for a second to let the car settle, and they would end up off the road, the key is letting the car go out sideways because the curve gets even sharper right after the bump. You can hear the tires scrubbing the last 3rd of the curve, after the big compression/bump I mention

That's me driving at about 85%, I don't drive 100% with other people in the car, I just take it easy, and leave myself room for error.

I used to enjoy planning my lines around cars going half my speed, its a whole other dimension to driving. Most frown on this stuff, but what's done is done... never hurt or wrecked into anyone.

The only people who I can say wrecked due to my presence are people who had the arrogance to think they could keep up when I told them not to, and would lose it in a curve. The best are the hypocrites who speed up to chase me to tell me to slow down... I have stories.

I had the car up over 200 a few times, fastest I took it was 215-220 racing a modified 330+hp Turbo busa... the only thing I ever found that would keep up. The car would eat bikes alive on the highway otherwise. Anything over 195 gets very sketchy... if a tire blows, I realize I'm gone. I've blown a tire at 145 before, and kept it together, but it was sketchy. 195+ and I know I'd be done probably, so I don't go up there much anymore. 180 is plenty. Its a big difference between 185 and 205+

That evil cackle is my little sister who is filming.

Leading up to the curve and then after the curve, in the straight sections, its about 140mph, and the car just hums along like its nothing. The thing is a weapon.

 

Well it now official not only is BBB aka Mike C7z a douchebag but he is a dangerous douchebag.

Wow really cool that he so arrogant that he somehow think this provea his driving skills when all it prove is he not mature enough to understand he putting other driver at risk.

He talk all this **** about driving skill but has not posted one video of him at a track day.

No he is a jack *** who thinks it's cool to drive like that on public roads.

Freak idiot. He not smart enough to know this make him look stupid to others who look at this and think WHAT A DOUCHEBAG this guy is for driving like that on a public highway.

 

that was a lot of compliments in a row.

 

I agree. Driving like that is bad and anyone who does that should have his/her driving license removed. But please conjugate verbs. Or use them

 

but what if my driving record is clean, and ive never had a ticket in a vette in 200,000 miles of driving about 20 of them?

And what if that video is not me, I only claim it is me because I want you to think I'm a fast driver?

What if I'm actually scared to go fast because my brain goes slower than most peoples, so calulating for reality at a fast enough pace is impossible, so I just drive everywhere at 25?

I'm sure... if I drove fast, I would have AT LEAST 1 ticket in a vette in my life. 1.

Otherwise, I'm probably not your guy

 

dont take it personally. But good answer.

 

I'm just wondering what kind of a meltdown he will have when I step into the public spotlight in the near future for my websites we have been building for a long time, and he tells the world I am a fast reckless driver, and it turns out my driving record is cleaner than his is?

If a person with a clean license who has NEVER had 1 ticket in vette in their entire life (and I'm not just saying that, I'm not saying I have lawyer or judge friends who made them disappear, or any other connections... instead I'm saying, you won't find a single cop on this planet who can honestly say he has ever issued me a speeding ticket while I was in a vette...)

so if that's the case... what kind of a meltdown is Vetteman going to have then, when if someone's license were to be suspended based on factual history, it would be his before mine... and I counter him and inform the world he is the one who should not have a license?

If I am satan, with a clean driving record... then what does that make him, with his not clean driving record?

 

Well, here’s my opinion, and it’s worth what it’s worth (****), I don’t think you should loose sleep over it, actions speak louder than words. And we are no ones behind a screen to you. So it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Both of you seem like nice guys who started on the wrong foot. I agree with him that driving fast on public roads is reckless, and I don’t really believe that having a clean license is sign of a good driver either (I mean, it’s way better than having countless citations!), it just means that (if/when) you drove more “freely” you were “smart” about it.

 

I think it means me driving fast must be a very rare occurrence since we all know there's cops everywhere.

It's impossible that I could be lucky for over 20 years to never get a ticket in a vette.

I mean, the only other option is that when I do drive a vette, and when i do speed, I always went so fast that the cops never could keep up.

That would be impossible, so I think we are back to the first line of this post.

 

I am speaking for the majority of Corvette owners who are not boy racers. Our local club has 400 + members and only 2 take their cars to the track. The majority use them as a pleasure performance sports car and take both short and long road trips. Luggage space is therefore important.

 

What pinnacle of performance? For normal majority owner road use the C7 performance is already more than most owners can handle. Yes, a mid engined car is required for racing success which proves the need for both front and mid engined models. please study the Ferrari marketing policy.

 

The C8 vert will have more luggage space than the C7 vert as it will have a frunk too. Coupe will have good storage for a ME.

So GM should stop improving the car? Why drive a Corvette anyway? Lots of nicer road touring cars. You’ll find a ME car more engaging to drive... better sight lines and better “feel”. Usually turn-in feel is more responsive. I.e. a Boxster is more fun to play with on the street than my Corvettes. The Corvettes will trounce the Boxster in actual perdormace though.

 

When you put drag wheels and skinnies on ZR1 and run a Demon head to head...Demon is not faster. Lots of proof. I'm all for the C8, I love progress. However, many times in this thread and forum people spit out BS about the C7 like its junk cause it's not ME. Maybe step back and look at the lap times, braking, etc and realize how awesome a car it really is. For instance, look at VIR LL, even the 2015 Z06 (pre heating fixes and MRC changes) is still #10 on fastest lap time recorded. I wouldn't be surprised if the base C8 ME doesn't out perform a C7 Z06 but comes close. Would still be an accomplishment by the ME, but the C7 is still a great car. Especially when compared to competitors.

 

A C7 can be configured to mimic and even look like a track car but the truth is it will always be just a sports car designed for great handling on the road. A true track car can be camouflaged to appear like a road car even though everyone knows by its feel, it was designed for track.. In every way my C7 Z51 is better handling then my C6 Z51 but I realize it will always be just a great looking sports car. And that's just the way I want it.. I have no interest in a true track car

 

Never said it wasn't an already awesome car. Just that it can be more awesome as ME.

My Demon comparison was simply in retort to claims of the Ferrari FE being "fastest". Just because a car is fast, doesn't mean it fits the role the Corvette is trying to fill.

 

Yep, C7 generally posts better lap times than the C6, which generally posted better lap times than the C5. That's not exclusively because of power enhancement, it's continuous enhancement of suspension and other platform improvements. Accordingly, the C8 ME will, no doubt, up the ante again.

 

You know, there is certainly not much left in the FE layout that can be done unless you do to 4WD. HOWEVER, the same can be said for a mid-engine 2WD. The C7 is a pretty good sports car, but it can only take so much HP before it becomes unmanageable, even by its sophisticated traction / control computer. The same is true for a mid-engine car. The improvement of the 2WD ME over the C7 FE will be significant, BUT, it will not be as big as a lot of folks here think. Traction limitations apply to mid-engine cars too.....in truth the 2WD ME's are only 5-10% better than a good 2WD FE, and the new Porsche 911 GT2RS is better than ANY mid-engine car you can buy today, even with its engine hung out over the rear bumper. In fact it is better, with a passenger on-board, (James May) than the vaunted 917 !

The next revolution is 4WD with 4W steering via 4W differential torque - all easily doable in an EV. In ten years, everything we are talking about on this forum will have as much relevance as Ford's Model T.