Notices
C8 Stingray/General Discussion The place to discuss the next generation of Corvette including the Stingray.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Wheel Design

Front engine future

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 06:22 AM
  #61  
faninc's Avatar
faninc
Banned Scam/Spammer
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,700
Likes: 708
Default The second shift...

Maybe Mary hired the second shift to caddy for the C8 owners who will need help with their golf bags?
You never know🙂
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 07:29 AM
  #62  
JoesC5's Avatar
JoesC5
Team Owner
 
Joined: Sep 1999
Posts: 41,732
Likes: 1,718
From: Springfield MO
Default

Originally Posted by PerKr
And Tadge has never been wrong... It seems whenever he makes a claim one has better stop listening.

Didn't he state something similar before the C7ZR1 was revealed? About the Z06 being as far as a FE corvette could be taken?

As for the C7 platform, he may be right. Maybe they can't take that further under his leadership. But a FE platform can still be vastly improved from that reference point as I am certain will be proven by Ferrari et al.

He also made the statement at the Detroit show in 2013 that the C7 would be available in a right hand drive model, to a group of auto journalist from Australia.

The very next say, the number 2 man at GM had to issue a statement saying the C7 would not be available in RHD.

The AMG GT R Pro is quite indicative of how far the front engine sports car can be taken(7:04 at Nürburgring) with a measly 577 HP. And AMG hasn't even released the AMG GT R Black Series yet.

I don't understand why some people believe that front engine sports cars are only good for drag racing on a straight track, and if you want to turn corners, you MUST have a mid engine car.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 08:00 AM
  #63  
fourmat's Avatar
fourmat
Pro
 
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 527
Likes: 127
From: NJ
Default

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Card
In which case I predict a huge number of sales will be lost. How are you going to go on a road trip with adequate luggage in a mid engined car?
loss of sales I bet not
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:17 AM
  #64  
Jon2kZ's Avatar
Jon2kZ
Pro
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 608
Likes: 338
From: Westminster, CA
Default

Maybe if they say it 3 times and click their heels they're wish will come true.

There will be an FE There will be an FE There will be an FE




Hahahahaha NOPE
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:21 AM
  #65  
RapidC84B's Avatar
RapidC84B
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 22,598
Likes: 14,555
Default

Originally Posted by Jon2kZ
Maybe if they say it 3 times and click their heels they're wish will come true.

There will be an FE There will be an FE There will be an FE




Hahahahaha NOPE
Interesting someone took the time to make that. Does nothing to excite me. More of the same... car has been basically the same since 1997... very good, but basically the same car C5/6/7.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:32 AM
  #66  
Tom73's Avatar
Tom73
Race Director
25 Year Member
Active Streak: 120 Days
All Eyes On Me
Liked
 
Joined: Apr 1999
Posts: 15,136
Likes: 477
From: NM
Default

This is from the Ferrari website about their 812 Superfast, front engine rear transmission. Don’t think that the FE as a design is no longer viable. There is always the possibility of another FE Vette but it would be several years in the future.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:34 AM
  #67  
WKM's Avatar
WKM
Racer
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 419
Likes: 105
From: Winterville North Carolina
Default

Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
Interesting someone took the time to make that. Does nothing to excite me. More of the same... car has been basically the same since 1997... very good, but basically the same car C5/6/7.
You must not have driven a C5, C6, or C7 if you think you can say they are all the same car.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:38 AM
  #68  
RapidC84B's Avatar
RapidC84B
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 22,598
Likes: 14,555
Default

Originally Posted by WKM
You must not have driven a C5, C6, or C7 if you think you can say they are all the same car.
I have and I've taken the C5 and C7 almost completely apart... they are the same car structurally. Same general frame layout/shape/designe. Same suspension layout and design, same general motors (haha pun) i.e pushrod OHV V8. Think of C5/6/7 as continuous refinement of the original 1997 C5.
Reply
Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

 Michael S. Palmer
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:45 AM
  #69  
RapidC84B's Avatar
RapidC84B
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 22,598
Likes: 14,555
Default

Here's my point stating the C5/6/7 are all continuous improvement of the same car...


C5

C6

C6 Z06

C6 ZR1

C7
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:58 AM
  #70  
vndkshn's Avatar
vndkshn
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,666
Likes: 1,778
From: North Texas
Default

Originally Posted by CSevenGS
All that gum bumping to restate your nitpick...great job. The point is its stopping, has been announced and new C7s will be no more.
And yet you can't back up your original statement. How telling.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:04 AM
  #71  
vndkshn's Avatar
vndkshn
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,666
Likes: 1,778
From: North Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Jon2kZ
Maybe if they say it 3 times and click their heels they're wish will come true.

There will be an FE There will be an FE There will be an FE




Hahahahaha NOPE
Amazing that someone took the time, but that's actually a pretty good looking car I think. Not saying I think it is coming, but that's a step in the right direction for a FE car.

As pointed out, I think Tadge's comment about the C7 being as far as they can take FE performance is really more a sign of his leadership and vision than anything else.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:05 AM
  #72  
Speednet's Avatar
Speednet
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,108
Likes: 755
From: Bridgewater NJ
Default

Originally Posted by Tom73
This is from the Ferrari website about their 812 Superfast, front engine rear transmission. Don’t think that the FE as a design is no longer viable. There is always the possibility of another FE Vette but it would be several years in the future.
Where exactly did anyone say "FE as a design is no longer viable"? Now you're just being silly. The only thing people are saying is "there will be no FE Corvette C8". That doesn't mean FE cars are bad or outdated. It means there won't be one for the C8. GM has said there will be ONE Corvette model only. And they apparently say that the only way to move the platform forward in terms of performance is to go ME. Which they are doing.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:15 AM
  #73  
RapidC84B's Avatar
RapidC84B
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 22,598
Likes: 14,555
Default

Originally Posted by vndkshn
As pointed out, I think Tadge's comment about the C7 being as far as they can take FE performance is really more a sign of his leadership and vision than anything else.
He clearly wants the chance at being the man to do the ME Corvette... but, in his defense, there's not much left they can do performance wise with the FE car... the ZR1 is the king of the hill.

They can't put any more power down through the rear wheels. Which means AWD. Packacing electric front drive and battery packs in the FE platform is far more difficult than the rear ME platform. Basically there's no point in going any further with the FE as anything done there would be more effective in the ME configuration.

Last edited by RapidC84B; Jun 7, 2019 at 11:16 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:33 AM
  #74  
vndkshn's Avatar
vndkshn
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,666
Likes: 1,778
From: North Texas
Default

^Oh I get it.. and I think the Corvette should have gone ME along about C4/C5 timeframe. I think they could still improve on the FE's abilities, it would involve moving weight further back of course, and obviously the engine is the single biggest source of weight.

ME is an "easy fix", but my point, his statement is a bit over-dramatic.

Last edited by vndkshn; Jun 7, 2019 at 11:34 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:38 AM
  #75  
RapidC84B's Avatar
RapidC84B
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 22,598
Likes: 14,555
Default

Originally Posted by vndkshn
ME is an "easy fix", but my point, his statement is a bit over-dramatic.
Becaue that's Tadge... the career party man (party as in communist politics).

"The C6 is obsolete"

"There is no need for more than 6 gears with a torquey V8" (denying the 8 speed was coming)

"We can't do anything more with the FE platform"

Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 11:57 AM
  #76  
born2beS12's Avatar
born2beS12
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 207
Likes: 53
From: Clermont FL
Default

Maybe I have missed it but has GM officially came out and said the C8 will be mid-engine and not the traditional front engine? The only thing I have seen/heard is that C7 production will be ending on July 23, 2019 and that the C8 will be revealed on 7-8-19, nothing about engine placement or engine size. And I get that all the pictures appear to have the dimensions and looks to be mid engined, but have there been any photos that show the actual engine behind the driver?
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 12:05 PM
  #77  
RapidC84B's Avatar
RapidC84B
Team Owner
 
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 22,598
Likes: 14,555
Default

Originally Posted by born2beS12
Maybe I have missed it but has GM officially came out and said the C8 will be mid-engine and not the traditional front engine? The only thing I have seen/heard is that C7 production will be ending on July 23, 2019 and that the C8 will be revealed on 7-8-19, nothing about engine placement or engine size. And I get that all the pictures appear to have the dimensions and looks to be mid engined, but have there been any photos that show the actual engine behind the driver?
Yes... a few times now.

https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-v...ation-corvette

EVERYTHING HAS LED TO THIS


The Next Generation is the most anticipated Corvette ever. Each innovation, each achievement has driven us to this moment. Take a short thrill ride to get a sneak peek of what’s going to happen on July 18th. You won’t believe your eyes – or ears. Sign up and get updates straight from the source so you can be the first to know about the first-ever mid-engine Corvette.


Last edited by RapidC84B; Jun 7, 2019 at 12:06 PM.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Front engine future

Old Jun 7, 2019 | 12:28 PM
  #78  
mschuyler's Avatar
mschuyler
Safety Car
 
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 4,980
Likes: 3,826
From: Bainbridge Island WA
Default

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Card
Will Gm continue to offer a front engined corvette? The majority of Corvette owners are not boy racers and do not take part in track days. We want a sports car suitable for touring with good luggage capacity like the C7 coupe.
We've been over this countless times in previous threads. Yes, the C7 has good storage. It's a hatchback, just like a Ford Pinto. Of course it does. But you're spoiled. You can carry the kitchen sink and the family dog if you want. Or you can learn to be more frugal in your packing habits. We've been 23,000 miles with a couple of small duffel bags in a convertible. That's all you really need. And with the C8 you'll have a trunk and a frunk. If you can't make do with that, it's your problem, but I doubt most of us will find that a hindrance. You really don't speak for the "majority"of Corvette owners.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 12:31 PM
  #79  
BEAR-AvHistory's Avatar
BEAR-AvHistory
Drifting
Veteran: Army
 
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 1,494
Likes: 703
From: Raleigh, NC
Default

The FE is dead, get over it.

Which part of "you can be the first to know about the first-ever mid-engine Corvette" is hard to understand?

Don't like the ME buy a Camaro.

Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; Jun 7, 2019 at 12:42 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 7, 2019 | 12:35 PM
  #80  
born2beS12's Avatar
born2beS12
Instructor
 
Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 207
Likes: 53
From: Clermont FL
Default

Originally Posted by Tool Hoarder
Thank you, I figured I had missed an official announcement amongs all the speculation and theory post of what GM "should do" or "what they are gonna do" from random people that saw a post about a post about a magazine article written about a picture taken by some person with a camera phone.
Reply



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:20 PM.

story-0
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-2
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Corvette Engines RANKED by Peak Torque (70+ Years of Muscle!)

Slideshow: Ranking the top 10 Corvette engines by torque output.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:58:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
Corvette ZR1X Will Be Pacing the Indy 500, And Could Probably Race, Too!

Slideshow: A Corvette pace car nearly matching IndyCar speeds sounds exaggerated, until you look at the numbers.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-04 20:03:36


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 Corvettes Coming to Mecum Indy 2026!

Among a rather large group of them.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:56:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 C9 Corvette MUST-HAVES to Fix These C8 Generation Flaws!

Slideshow: the top 10 things Corvette owners want in the C9 Corvette

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-30 12:41:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Revolutionary 'Corvette Firsts' Most People Don't Know

Slideshow: 10 Important Corvette 'firsts' that every fan should know.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 17:02:16


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Reasons to Upgrade to an LS6-Powered Corvette; 5 Reasons to Stay LT2

Slideshow: Should you buy a 2020-2026 Corvette or wait for 2027?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-22 10:08:58


VIEW MORE