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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
How many allocations did this "major, well known" dealer have in total and what number were you in line. With those two pieces of information you can fairly accurately determine when your order should have (or will) go in.
600 total
I was mid 400 when deposit went down in July.

Now, no idea where I am on the list, if it even exists.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:22 PM
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There is another variable that hasn't been mentioned yet and that is GM. They don't necessarily keep the orders in line as they come in. Mine is a perfect example, my order got placed from the Feb. allocation so somewhere around early Feb. it went in lets say the 10-13 range. Then on the 18th it finally showed 2000 event code, then two days later on the 20th was at 3000, the following Tuesday the 25th it's at 3300. It went to 3300 two and a half weeks after the order went in and the SAME day another car at the same dealership also went to 3300. That car had the order go in in December. Mine took two and a half weeks and the other took two and a half months to get to the same place at the plant. So I ended up jumping past a bunch at the dealership, I guess because GM was queuing up white 1LT cars to paint. So even if the dealer is honorable and keeps it fair and square with the order of deposits placed, there is no guarantee in the least that GM will. Might go better, might go worse.
Yes, I mentioned that in another thread. Getting "accepted" by GM (Event code 2000) doesn't mean car A. will get a TPW before car B. Dealers cannot control what happens after code 2000. What they CAN control is how they choose to assign allocations to buyers at each consensus. If they represent X and do Y and a buyer suffers damages like losing out on a 2020 altogether due to future reduced allocations, the dealer is in trouble if (and that's IF) the buyer can document that. Even say, a later allocation award on a subsequent month would still be some form of damage to the buyer as the misrepresentation still existed. It's unfortunate that not all dealers are transparent with their buyers on their C8 situation, but then again, dealers who are playing "games" as another said tend to want to fly under the radar as opposed to those with ethics like most major forum dealers.

I know more about Kerbeck's orders and buyers than I do about my order and that just ain't right.

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Originally Posted by PCMIII
600 total
I was mid 400 when deposit went down in July.

Now, no idea where I am on the list, if it even exists.

​​​​​​​So, that puts you at somewhere close to the 75th percentile. Very, very unlikely you will get a 2020 unless allocations increase substantially. By comparison, MacMulkin has just under 1200 total allocations and so far, for Sept, Dec, Jan and Feb, they have gotten around 280 total allocations. You do the math.

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Originally Posted by Panfish
Yes, I mentioned that in another thread. Getting "accepted" by GM (Event code 2000) doesn't mean car A. will get a TPW before car B. Dealers cannot control what happens after code 2000. What they CAN control is how they choose to assign allocations to buyers at each consensus. If they represent X and do Y and a buyer suffers damages like losing out on a 2020 altogether due to future reduced allocations, the dealer is in trouble if (and that's IF) the buyer can document that. Even say, a later allocation award on a subsequent month would still be some form of damage to the buyer as the misrepresentation still existed.
Agree 100%, I am still a little surprised that one car took 2 1/2 weeks and the other took 2 1/2 months, never dreamed there could be that big of a delta from when the orders went in.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
600 total
I was mid 400 when deposit went down in July.

Now, no idea where I am on the list, if it even exists.
I put my deposit down in July as well, and am in line #139 of 300 allocations... 1100 status for me as well.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
600 total
I was mid 400 when deposit went down in July.

Now, no idea where I am on the list, if it even exists.

400 of 600 from July with expected drops and z car waiting, I think you have a good shot at a 2020. You’re probably in the low hundreds at this point. (20% drop rate and assuming 50 cars per first 4 allocations) The dealer won’t tell you where you stand?

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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
So, that puts you at somewhere close to the 75th percentile. Very, very unlikely you will get a 2020 unless allocations increase substantially. By comparison, MacMulkin has just under 1200 total allocations and so far, for Sept, Dec, Jan and Feb, they have gotten around 280 total allocations. You do the math.
Folks on MacMulkin's list who put deposits down in October will be getting cars in June or July. Many of us are finding out the hard way that only Mac and Kerbeck could deliver 2020s if we waited to decide until after the introduction in July.

Why exactly is Corvette hyping this car when it can't deliver anything for another year?
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Originally Posted by BeastBoy
400 of 600 from July with expected drops and z car waiting, I think you have a good shot at a 2020. You’re probably in the low hundreds at this point. (20% drop rate and assuming 50 cars per first 4 allocations) The dealer won’t tell you where you stand?
No way a dealer with 600 total allocations has been getting. 50 per month. More like 35 per month. Look at the MacMulkin example above that has very close to twice as many total allocations.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:42 PM
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400 of 600 from July with expected drops and z car waiting, I think you have a good shot at a 2020. You’re probably in the low hundreds at this point. (20% drop rate and assuming 50 cars per first 4 allocations) The dealer won’t tell you where you stand?
Nope. They are not even doing orders until they have an allocation for you and there is no list available.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Folks on MacMulkin's list who put deposits down in October will be getting cars in June or July. Many of us are finding out the hard way that only Mac and Kerbeck could deliver 2020s if we waited to decide until after the introduction in July.

Why exactly is Corvette hyping this car when it can't deliver anything for another year?
I don't see Corvette/Chevy hyping the car. The media is doing that. Chevy doesn't get to decide what awards it will win.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
No way a dealer with 600 total allocations has been getting. 50 per month. More like 35 per month. Look at the MacMulkin example above that has very close to twice as many total allocations.
Was going by my dealer Les Stanford who told me they were getting fifty something per allocation from a 650 total. So used that as a relative comparison.
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Originally Posted by Zymurgy
I don't see Corvette/Chevy hyping the car. The media is doing that. Chevy doesn't get to decide what awards it will win.
Corvette just put on a big show in Nevada for all the news media and they have been showing the cars all over the country. The whole promotion is just going to leave thousands of potential buyers disappointed to say the least.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 05:55 PM
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So they should introduce a totally new Corvette and not display it or give the media a chance to drive it. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. They're not just selling 2020.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 06:01 PM
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So they should introduce a totally new Corvette and not display it or give the media a chance to drive it. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. They're not just selling 2020.
Over promise, under deliver. I think they've got it bass ackward.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 06:04 PM
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I know more about Kerbeck's orders and buyers than I do about my order and that just ain't right.
Amen brother.
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Just because THEY say it's non-refundable, does not mean it is non-refundable. That depends on the consumer laws of your sate and what written documentation exists in your specific situation to define that one way or the other. Absent that documentation, many state laws favor the consumer (buyer). Traditionally, dealers like to throw around the term "liquidated damages". If they have to take delivery of a car someone has custom ordered and rejected, then yes, they have that argument as they have to market and sell the custom order the buyer rejected. If that order has not been built (code 1100 which is a computer entry not yet even accepted by the manufacturer), liquidated damages are virtually nil.

If your dealer says it's "non-refundable", you might politely ask where that is stipulated as you say you were not aware of that at the time of deposit. It might be buried in fine print somewhere though and that would be your error.
It was done thru texts and on the phone.....didn't sign anything...........

Maybe things will change in March and my order will move forward.......hope so......I guess I'm just venting......figured a Corvette Forum was as good a place as any to do that

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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Folks on MacMulkin's list who put deposits down in October will be getting cars in June or July. Many of us are finding out the hard way that only Mac and Kerbeck could deliver 2020s if we waited to decide until after the introduction in July.

Why exactly is Corvette hyping this car when it can't deliver anything for another year?
You can blame the strike for the delay. The 2020 Corvettes were scheduled to be produced the 1st week of December. That was pushed back until the 1st week of February. A full 2 month delay.
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Old Feb 28, 2020 | 07:44 PM
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It was done thru texts and on the phone.....didn't sign anything...........

Maybe things will change in March and my order will move forward.......hope so......I guess I'm just venting......figured a Corvette Forum was as good a place as any to do that
So there’s no documentation stating your deposit is non-refundable? In that case, how can your dealer claim it is? Hopefully, it will be moot next month, but if it becomes an issue (you want to bail like so many elsewhere have done prior to build), their assertion of that means nothing.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Nope. They are not even doing orders until they have an allocation for you and there is no list available.
I think many dealers are doing this though. My dealer works this way. I have an option to go put an order in the system, but as they explained it really doesn't matter if they have no allocation to place it against. The big difference to your scenario is my dealer gave me his personal cell so I text him every few weeks to see where things stand. They have been great with the updates and I have been happy so far and they are a very small dealer (only 9 allocations). Just curious, when you call and ask them for an update, what do they tell you? Do you check in regularly or have you gone back to see them (assuming you live close to them)?
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My order has been at 1100 for over a month now......when GM does its DOSP on March 5th, I'm going to call the Concierge Service on the 9th.....if my order doesn't go to 2000 I'm canceling it.....and they've already told me my deposit is non-refundable so I will probably have a fight on my hands. Should be interesting
So rcn,...my 1LT has been at 1100 since August 1st..so what should I do?..I spoken to my salesman, I've spoken to the concierge,.the YL at GM said more 1LTs will start coming down the line with much greater frequency in the next few weeks..There's really not much I can do but wait to see if she's right. When I made my deposit I was told I was the 58th person to put money down for a C8 at this dealership. Now if they are playing games with people's position in line what can I do about that?
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