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Mikey, that was a very mature, well thought out response. So are you suggesting that the C8 forum is only for those that love the C8, and would never, ever even hint at a comment perceived as negative?
I'll tell you one thing, the trolls that spew venom and **** OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER, gets old. We get it, it's not a perfect car, but when these losers just **** post after post, what is being accomplished? I wish they would just leave and go somewhere they can be happy. Seriously, we are fine talking about problems as they come up, but the way they hemorrhage venom about GM, C8, anything they can, they just come off as bitter losers that probably can't have one.
get rid of the trunk how? You really won’t make the car shorter. The trunk sits on top of the DCT and muffler, and weighs nothing...lol
My old Ferrari 360 did not have a trunk and it was 6 inches shorter and it was done with a shorter wheel base to boot. It's all how you package the car.
Hopefully it's not too far of a stretch for you, that making the car shorter will make the car lighter... Lol
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The corvette is a sport car not a GT so that answers most of your questions. With your comment regarding the manual I suspect you never drove a good DCT with paddles...it is outstanding fun.
The lack of a big trunk in the back is a small bummer I agree (I like to take my folding bike in my C7 and this cannot happen in the C8) but a small price to pay for mid engine.
With what I said above I think GM should have kept the Front mid engine corvette around along with the rear mid engine.
The Corvette maybe “America’s Sports Car,” but I think the Corvette is in fact a GT car, and probably has been as far back as the C2. A GT car is generally defined as combining the handling performance of a sports car with luxury and long distance driving capability. That is certainly the C8 in any level of trim.
The fact that you want a trunk to haul a bicycle may define your C7 at a GT. With the Miata, or other real sports car you would strap it to a luggage rack.
That’s why the C8-R and it’s high end competition, like Porsche compete, in the IMSA “GT”LM and FIA LM ”GT”E classes.
of course you don't -- especially when you don't bother to listen::
For YEARS, Corvette enthusiasts were BEGGING for a DCT (Dual Clutch Transmission). Now that we have one....and a great one, at that-now you want a manual again?
Some were begging for a DCT, others were hoping for a manual, some were hoping for a slush clutch auto, too. Do not confuse the 3 groups.
I spoke to one of the C8 design engineers at the Convertible reveal after learning about the C8 the previous week. The design engineer explained to me when I asked him about the availability of a manual Tx, he explained why it wasn't practical due to the engine's location. The linkage would have to be extremely long and feel very loose. It was a no-go option from an engineering design standpoint
And yet, McLaren, Porsche make mid engined cars with manuals that have to snake around an engine.
This sounds like a "I really don't want to bother" argument.
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Originally Posted by gurneyeagle
It never ceases to amaze me that people feel compelled to express unsolicited reasons why they don't want a C8 in the C8 section. As mentioned above, it belongs in the C7 hand wringers section.
I pity people who are so insecure with their purchase decisions that they need to justify said purchase by disparaging the alternatives.
Be happy with what you bought, but leave the adults alone to discuss progress and the future.
Same with the droning about the manual transmissions. Enough already. No one f#cking cares that the sole reason (yeah right) you won't buy a C8 is because there is no manual. Like candles, window fans, and outhouses, society has moved on to something better.
And, we now have indoor plumbing ................. Well, most of us.
I posted my thoughts to see if anyone else agreed and to learn. I've been on this forum a long time and never have been called a troll. To those who like to insult and write rude remarks well it speaks volumes on who you are as a person. Anyway, I did learn a lot from my post. A few comments:
1. Jay Leno has every car under the sun and he agrees with me that a manual connects you to the car in a way that a DCT can't. I've owned other high end cars with paddle shifting and it doesn't come close to the fun that a manual gives me. Yes the DCT will shift quicker and get u to 60 faster than a manual. However, I find the paddles gimmicky and not worth my time but that is my opinion. There are many people who liked them so god bless. Once again the average Corvette owner is over 60 and they don't drive the car hard. I don't think the average user cares about squeezing every last drop of performance out these cars. For example, I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting a performance car with better seats. The C7 is great for day trips but if you are driving 14 hours the car gets uncomfortable. Yes it's a sports car but why do we pigeon hole everything. Sports cars can be designed to be more comfortable. It's a choice that designers need to make and that customers need to demand if enough customers want this. I can't imagine that anyone would vote for harder seats. The thing I loved most with all my Corvettes is that the car had tons of storage. Yes - I've brought home molding from HD and loaded the car with 5 or 6 flats of perennials. See my car is a daily driver - I use my car in the rain, sleet, and snow - with over 58k on the speedo. If I do buy a C8 it will be used differently. I have since retried so I could live with less space but not sure I would want to. It's limiting. I guess some people will by the car and just enjoy it as is and not care about cargo space. I'm not sure if it will turn some people away. In short the C8 is a beautiful car with so many cool upgrades. I love the styling for the most part and reviews are excellent. I'm not pissing on the car just thinking out loud and maybe - hoping on some level to be convinced to buy one. I guess I will test drive on at some point and then make a decision.
You would be surprised how fun the paddle shift is as I was with you few years ago and then I bought my first PDK Porsche TT and I was sold. The dual clutch paddle shift cars are much more fun then you will believe. I have two manual shift Corvette's to enjoy but I will be getting my C8 when production starts up again as my TPW was last week which puts me behind about 2 months. My only decision will be do I want a late 2020 and get the car I ordered wait a bit more and get a 2021.
Plus no money shifts..... Took my 19z06 on the track last month with 6k miles on it.... Top of 3rd went a little to aggressive into 2nd instead of 4th.... Crapped my pants kissed the steering wheel all in the fraction of a second before I slammed the clutch back in while setting revs go past 7500..... Thankfully car drives normal still 1k miles later... Asked dealership to swap out the valve springs in case but they told me not to bother as they say that it will be fine and they have no way of am checking this of issues arise though after 1k miles they said I lucked out plus the engine is built to withstand some abuse.... That said, I think I'm ready for a DCT....buddy of mine in a Porsche gt4 had a few fuckups like this and on the third the engine went and Porsche counts every ignition in over revs so he ended up paying for a new Camaro in repair bills. I blame myself and inexperience but love to use the car as it was meant to be driven but as I've said , less risk in a DCT
I posted my thoughts to see if anyone else agreed and to learn. I've been on this forum a long time and never have been called a troll. To those who like to insult and write rude remarks well it speaks volumes on who you are as a person. Anyway, I did learn a lot from my post. A few comments:
1. Jay Leno has every car under the sun and he agrees with me that a manual connects you to the car in a way that a DCT can't. I've owned other high end cars with paddle shifting and it doesn't come close to the fun that a manual gives me. Yes the DCT will shift quicker and get u to 60 faster than a manual. However, I find the paddles gimmicky and not worth my time but that is my opinion. There are many people who liked them so god bless. Once again the average Corvette owner is over 60 and they don't drive the car hard. I don't think the average user cares about squeezing every last drop of performance out these cars. For example, I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting a performance car with better seats. The C7 is great for day trips but if you are driving 14 hours the car gets uncomfortable. Yes it's a sports car but why do we pigeon hole everything. Sports cars can be designed to be more comfortable. It's a choice that designers need to make and that customers need to demand if enough customers want this. I can't imagine that anyone would vote for harder seats. The thing I loved most with all my Corvettes is that the car had tons of storage. Yes - I've brought home molding from HD and loaded the car with 5 or 6 flats of perennials. See my car is a daily driver - I use my car in the rain, sleet, and snow - with over 58k on the speedo. If I do buy a C8 it will be used differently. I have since retried so I could live with less space but not sure I would want to. It's limiting. I guess some people will by the car and just enjoy it as is and not care about cargo space. I'm not sure if it will turn some people away. In short the C8 is a beautiful car with so many cool upgrades. I love the styling for the most part and reviews are excellent. I'm not pissing on the car just thinking out loud and maybe - hoping on some level to be convinced to buy one. I guess I will test drive on at some point and then make a decision.
It's the difference in people, every time I looked at a C7 I kept trying to talk myself into liking it to the point of spending money on it, couldn't get there. A day after the reveal I had a deposit on a C8. BTW, not sure what engine work you could be referring to, but all routine service should be easier on the C8, you just have to look from the bottom up instead of looking from the top down.
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Originally Posted by dave_2012_tt
The corvette is a sport car not a GT so that answers most of your questions. With your comment regarding the manual I suspect you never drove a good DCT with paddles...it is outstanding fun.
The lack of a big trunk in the back is a small bummer I agree (I like to take my folding bike in my C7 and this cannot happen in the C8) but a small price to pay for mid engine.
With what I said above I think GM should have kept the Front mid engine corvette around along with the rear mid engine.
Yes it is !! and that's why it should have a MANUAL
Not sure how you figure that out. But doing things from the bottom usually means it is more difficult than from the top.
I would rather stand than have to lay on my back under a car.
Apparently with this group, at least the ones that have already received their C8s, have garage Mahals and lifts, so underneath is no problem. But I guess many don't actually work on them either or pay someone to wash the floor - LOL.
Frankly, aside from oil changes, there is not much of anything owners can do to their modern vehicles any more. Too many special procedures, tools, knowledge. A trip to a dealer is mostly a requirement. Something as simple as a new battery is almost a requirement I discovered on my 16 Malibu. It was changed N/C under warranty (11 months old) and it was over a 24 hour evolution. First day, evaluation and testing - agreed battery required replacement, installed by EOD. Following day had to reload vehicle software - took 3.5 Hours! Simple disconnect of battery screws up computers in vehicle from what they told me - I have no knowledge on the what or why - They are a very great dealership and trust them & their techs. I'm sure they did what they had to and not additional unnecessary items - warranty N/C.
Not sure how you figure that out. But doing things from the bottom usually means it is more difficult than from the top.
I would rather stand than have to lay on my back under a car.
Pretty simple really, the operate word was routine. So let's say 100,000 miles and it's due for plugs (even plug wires), belts, fluids, all done from beneath. Drop a belly pan and everything is right there. Probably the easiest Corvette in recent decades to change plugs on. I have a Quick Jack and so working underneath is a breeze. Now O2 sensors are on top and easily accessible. The air filter is probably a bigger pain in the *** than anything else.
I posted my thoughts to see if anyone else agreed and to learn. I've been on this forum a long time and never have been called a troll. To those who like to insult and write rude remarks well it speaks volumes on who you are as a person.
So in your opinion, do you think it would be a good idea or make any sense for me to go to the C7 section and tell everyone there that are fans of the C7, why I'm buying a C8 and what I perceive as the short comings of the C7? Do you think the C7 fans would care that I'm not buying a C7? Personally, I would expect to be attacked, just because I'm not a fan doesn't mean they aren't and I wouldn't think I was going to give any of them an epiphany moment and change their minds. I wouldn't go there, I just wouldn't buy a C7.