C8 vs F8
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I agree, no way it's going to be a 600hp car, most people are overlooking the most obvious issue the C8 and every version of the vette since the C7 launched. And that is it has a weight issue. The cars keep getting heavier and heavier. It's a lot cheaper to add hp to an engine than it is to reduce weight on a car. It wouldn't surprise me if the Z06 uses the C7 ZR1 engine. It's cheap and already there.
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Melting Slicks
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I agree, no way it's going to be a 600hp car, most people are overlooking the most obvious issue the C8 and every version of the vette since the C7 launched. And that is it has a weight issue. The cars keep getting heavier and heavier. It's a lot cheaper to add hp to an engine than it is to reduce weight on a car. It wouldn't surprise me if the Z06 uses the C7 ZR1 engine. It's cheap and already there.
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Well people love to exaggerate for one thing. That said it is called "garbage" because it's known to be slushy and mushy while driving at normal speeds around town. Also when shifting with the paddles in manual mode the shifts are very delayed compared to much better trans missions be it dct or otherwise. IMO the only time that A8 is pretty good is when all out wot shifting. Then it can hold it's own and even actually will make you smile at times lol. Other than that it's a little like jabba the hut slow and mushy.
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Well people love to exaggerate for one thing. That said it is called "garbage" because it's known to be slushy and mushy while driving at normal speeds around town. Also when shifting with the paddles in manual mode the shifts are very delayed compared to much better trans missions be it dct or otherwise. IMO the only time that A8 is pretty good is when all out wot shifting. Then it can hold it's own and even actually will make you smile at times lol. Other than that it's a little like jabba the hut slow and mushy.
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You may be correct. However, I have owned 11 Vettes and 2 Ferraris. Since I am a one-car-at-a-time dude, which brand would I never own again? Hint: I have a C8 HTC ordered.
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The Base price is $280,000. If it did not best the $60,000 C8, Ferrari should just close their doors. Yes, the design and craftsmanship, and exclusivity does have value. However, it is not a watch, extra money can bring extra performance. With watches, the precision, and accuracy of one quartz watch is basically the same as any other, and no mechanical watch can match it. Nobody expects a Rolex, or other high end watch to keep better time than a Timex. With cars, we expect a vastly more expensive car to deliver somewhat better performance in some category.
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IMO the biggest problem with the past A8 was the torque converter issues. I had/have a 2015 GMC Sierra, 2016 Yukon Denali and 2017 Camaro that all had to have the Triple Flush procedure due to torque converter slippage that results in shudder. Being 3 for 3 on failures doesn’t make me a believer in the A8. I would never own another car with that transmission. I personally think calling it garbage is being kinder to it than I would be if asked.
I'm not going to dispute what you've said since I agree. I had a 16 cts with this trans and same issues. Now have a 16 CT6 and same trans same triple flush procedure and torque converter issues.So I get it.
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I have a C7Z. Why does that matter?
Kinda ironic you don't think it's garbage, then asking me i drove so and so car. I think you need to go out and experience more cars. The ZF 8 speed is just like the GM 8 speed, in terms of how many gears. The ZF ***** on the GM 8 speed in every way possible. Go drive a car with a ZF.
The GM 8 speed is ******* ****. Garbage. It sucks. It shifts quick when you're giving it 100% throttle input and the shifts are ONLY fast 2-3 and 3-4. @ 100% throttle input.
EVERYTHING ELSE is garbage. It can't downshift properly. it's very slow and sluggish for any part throttle. The shuddering. Auto Z's overheat. THe 5th gear brick wall. I mean i can go on and on.
The GM 8 speed is ******* ****. Garbage. It sucks. It shifts quick when you're giving it 100% throttle input and the shifts are ONLY fast 2-3 and 3-4. @ 100% throttle input.
EVERYTHING ELSE is garbage. It can't downshift properly. it's very slow and sluggish for any part throttle. The shuddering. Auto Z's overheat. THe 5th gear brick wall. I mean i can go on and on.
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IMO the biggest problem with the past A8 was the torque converter issues. I had/have a 2015 GMC Sierra, 2016 Yukon Denali and 2017 Camaro that all had to have the Triple Flush procedure due to torque converter slippage that results in shudder. Being 3 for 3 on failures doesn’t make me a believer in the A8. I would never own another car with that transmission. I personally think calling it garbage is being kinder to it than I would be if asked.
Because the trans is ****. The C7 could have been FASTER than what it really is, and IMHO, would attract more buyers, if it had a better auto. And of course if it didn't overheat. GM didn't do that. So they ruined the greatest FE corvette there would be, because of the shitty *** auto.
C8 will correct all these issues.
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A $70,000 car compared to a $300,000+ car and the C8 haters are all over it with their well demonstrated stupidity. WTF did they expect, not exactly time to bust the pinata. This stuff is hilarious.
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if it’s anything like my 2016 ctsv it really is absolute garbage.... I loved everything about my v except the transmission... go drive a really good transmission like the pdk or even a torque converter box in the hellcat, and come back here and I promise you will update this thread.
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if it’s anything like my 2016 ctsv it really is absolute garbage.... I loved everything about my v except the transmission... go drive a really good transmission like the pdk or even a torque converter box in the hellcat, and come back here and I promise you will update this thread.
My buddy has a V3. Car looks incredible. He has the spec i would get if i ever gotten a V3. White with black wheels, CF bits, dropped. But even he said the trans sucks lol.
Thanks for clarifying man. And kudos for co-signing the ZF 8 speed. It's NO joke. It's what made the hellcats, hellcats. Without that trans, i don't think it'll have the success it has gotten.
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He's probably just not blind, but no you're correct, the c8 is absolute perfection looks wise, the rear end flows beautifully and is timeless 😂😂😂, i think ferrari should just give up and hire the corvette design team to make their future line up of cars
