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Old Feb 8, 2021 | 01:23 PM
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I think the C7 ZR1 times (with Mero driving) at the Nurburgring are "segment" times....
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I think the C7 ZR1 times (with Mero driving) at the Nurburgring are "segment" times....
I believe the C7 ZR1 lap was a 7:04 (If I recall correctly) - Note that this was done without even warming up the tires (Namely no warm up lap) and not in "ideal" weather conditions that day. The fastest unofficial time for the 720s is 7:08 I believe...
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The story is the C8s lap time, and it was VERY good. It not only beat its predecessors time by four seconds, but its rival mid engine GT4. Not only that, but the C8 can be considered the most successful LAUNCH vehicle in quite some time. Porsches 718 and 911 series cars are REFINED cars, as was the C7 if you TRULY know your Corvette history. The C8 IS A BRAND NEW VEHICLE FOLKS. All of those worries of understeer have melted away with many saying the C8 is close to perfect for a daily sports car that can be tracked. That is a monumental feat for any launch edition sports car.
So how much faster would C7Z51 be on a 4.1 mile course if it had an inch wider rear wheels and 305mm rubber like the C8? For reference, I went from a 9.5” with 285 front to a 11” front with 305 same compound and dropped 1.9 seconds on a local 1.7 mile track.

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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 04:48 AM
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^^^^ Bingo and I'll be darn if this thread is just learning about tires just now...?
The "thing" with the base 60K C8 is that the ME "thing" was done for many things but everybody thinks it was done for just one thing and that is tracking. Not so...

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Originally Posted by JG853
I believe the C7 ZR1 lap was a 7:04 (If I recall correctly) - Note that this was done without even warming up the tires (Namely no warm up lap) and not in "ideal" weather conditions that day. The fastest unofficial time for the 720s is 7:08 I believe...
6:5x segmented and 7:04 actual as per Jim's posts on the C7ZR1 section of this forum. IMHO the lack of warm up lap prevented reaching the segmented time.
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Telepierre
6:5x segmented and 7:04 actual as per Jim's posts on the C7ZR1 section of this forum. IMHO the lack of warm up lap prevented reaching the segmented time.
@Telepierre Yes - Correct. I did not put the segmented time, just the 7:04 lap time by Jim (That he noted was he was not allowed a warm up lap as well as the weather was not "ideal").

@jimmyb Jim's 7:04 Lap is still faster that the two noted 720s Ring times of 7:14 and 7:08 in the 720s - The drivers of those times were no slouches either.

Thus, that is why I agreed with the other member when he called out the lap time of the C7 ZR1. It should be noted as it is an awesome car. I do believe the C8 Z06 will be an awesome car too. I do not believe it will be as fast as the C7 ZR1 on these tracks. But that really, in my opinion, is not what the goal of that car is. There will be other models that will target it.
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Telepierre
6:5x segmented and 7:04 actual as per Jim's posts on the C7ZR1 section of this forum. IMHO the lack of warm up lap prevented reaching the segmented time.
@Telepierre Yes - Correct. I did not put the segmented time, just the 7:04 lap time by Jim (That he noted was he was not allowed a warm up lap as well as the weather was not "ideal").

@jimmyb Jim's 7:04 Lap is still faster that the two noted 720s Ring times of 7:14 and 7:08 in the 720s - The drivers of those times were no slouches either.

Thus, that is why I agreed with the other member when he called out the lap time of the C7 ZR1. It should be noted as it is an awesome car. I do believe the C8 Z06 will be an awesome car too. I do not believe it will be as fast as the C7 ZR1 on these tracks. But that really, in my opinion, is not what the goal of that car is. There will be other models that will target it.
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PRE-Z06
I don’t think you realize how close many models are if they wore the same tires. I wish Pobst or Mero would do a same day test of C6GS, C6Z07, C6ZR1, C7GS, C7Z07, C7ZR1 and C8Z51 all on Cup2s at the same track for comparison to rule out tire advancement. Randy or Jim are you listening?
Yes, this would be fantastic honestly. I'd pay money to see this.
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Old Feb 9, 2021 | 08:08 AM
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I would too! C6ZR1 or C6Z06 carbon, chassis tuned for CUP2Rs!

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Originally Posted by JG853
I believe the C7 ZR1 lap was a 7:04 (If I recall correctly) - Note that this was done without even warming up the tires (Namely no warm up lap) and not in "ideal" weather conditions that day. The fastest unofficial time for the 720s is 7:08 I believe...
You are exactly right, the 7:04 was a lap, the 6:5x was a segmented time. I am surprised by the 720S time of "only" 7:08, seems slow for a car of that potential although clearly I'm crazy saying that a 7:08 lap is "slow".... I'm sure I could break the 16 minute mark...
That said, it is funny how we (or me) look at these 'ring lap times that have been plummeting for the last 15 years and act like it's no big deal. I remember the 7:42 that Jan Mangusson did in a C6 Z06 in 2006 and thought: "Well, that's it...no one will beat that" (I THINK that was from a standing start, not a flying start, but I could be wrong). Then Mero does a 7:19 in a C6 ZR1 and I think a 7:22 in a C6 Z06 a few years later and on we go...

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Originally Posted by jimmyb
You are exactly right, the 7:04 was a lap, the 6:5x was a segmented time. I am surprised by the 720S time of "only" 7:08, seems slow for a car of that potential although clearly I'm crazy saying that a 7:08 lap is "slow".... I'm sure I could break the 16 minute mark...
That said, it is funny how we (or me) look at these 'ring lap times that have been plummeting for the last 15 years and act like it's no big deal. I remember the 7:42 that Jan Mangusson did in a C6 Z06 in 2006 and thought: "Well, that's it...no one will beat that" (I THINK that was from a standing start, not a flying start, but I could be wrong). Then Mero does a 7:19 in a C6 ZR1 and I think a 7:22 in a C6 Z06 a few years later and on we go...
@jimmyb I agree with you - Unbelievable what technology can do. I do think that the C8 Z06 will be one heck of a car with 600-625 HP. The way the car is geared and the traction it has is fantastic. The C8 Stingray launches hard 0-100. Add on another 105-130 HP on to that and it should give the McLaren 600LT, GT3RS, etc. a good run for a lot less money. Are you in line to get one?

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