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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 04:35 AM
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Buy semiconductor stocks in the meantime and pay for your C8 when it arrives with the profits. This shortage in chips and the resulting delay of automotive components is affecting all manufacturers.
BTW, my dealer called me today and I am in the allocation he just received.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 06:34 AM
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Look at the bright side, one has to think that lots and lots of other parts needed for production are continuing to arrive daily and will be stored at the plant during this two weeks of down time. By the time production starts back up, they will have an initial back log of a great many of the parts needed for production.....

Glass half full...
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 06:54 AM
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Just to clarify.
THIS week shutdown is due to transmission parts issues. THAT seems temporary.
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NEXT week shutdown is due to the much bigger , industry wide issue of Chips shortage. This is a longer term issue BUT going forward GM is prioritizing the Corvette higher than all other GM “cars”(along with high selling SUVs & light trucks)..

No pun intended..but lots of moving parts in this long debacle.

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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by C82021
Just to clarify.
THIS week shutdown is due to transmission parts issues. THAT seems temporary.
but...
NEXT week shutdown is due to the much bigger , industry wide issue of Chips shortage. This is a longer term issue BUT going forward GM is prioritizing the Corvette higher than all other GM “cars”(along with high selling SUVs & light trucks)..

No pun intended..but lots of moving parts in this long debacle.
I understand that GM is closing 4 plants due to the chips issue, but that Bowling Green is not one of them...
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 08:04 AM
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I feel sorry for those that are waiting patiently for their car to be built. Seems like it is one thing after another causing delays.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 08:12 AM
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ADoes anyone know if they are shipping cars mine is sitting in the lot .?
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 08:16 AM
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LIE2ME
Look at the bright side, one has to think that lots and lots of other parts needed for production are continuing to arrive daily and will be stored at the plant during this two weeks of down time. By the time production starts back up, they will have an initial back log of a great many of the parts needed for production.....

Glass half full...
Doesn't work that way...JIT (Just in time) is exactly that...just in time...it's not like there's a one million square foot warehouse at Bowling Green that they can just stack pallets of parts in, waiting for the other stuff to get there.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 09:33 AM
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These UAW workers really do have a sweet deal. I think in the past year they have spent more days not working than working...

GM needs to find a way to keep workers busy when there are supply disruptions like this. Though I'm sure the arcane and one-sided union contracts forbid it.
Maybe a 14 year old Mexican building your car would be better? There are two sets of signatures on a collective bargaining agreement, Managements and Unions. Why is it so bad that a group of people wish to have representation? Oh and the average UAW wage is around $30 bucks an hour.
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Originally Posted by WTFvette
Maybe a 14 year old Mexican building your car would be better? There are two sets of signatures on a collective bargaining agreement, Managements and Unions. Why is it so bad that a group of people wish to have representation? Oh and the average UAW wage is around $30 bucks an hour.
Because the UAW has monopolized labor. Businesses are not allowed to hire outside of UAW labor and that should be illegal, just like it is now illegal to have compulsory union membership for the public sector.

What that leads to is archaic union rules that hurt businesses, and overcompensation (inflated wages, big pensions, excessive time off, etc. etc.) for the skillset, driving up the prices of goods/services for consumers (or causing manufacturers to cut corners/reduce expenses elsewhere, such as in materials, in order to be able to compete with competitors).


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Originally Posted by C82021
Just to clarify.
THIS week shutdown is due to transmission parts issues. THAT seems temporary.
but...
NEXT week shutdown is due to the much bigger , industry wide issue of Chips shortage. This is a longer term issue BUT going forward GM is prioritizing the Corvette higher than all other GM “cars”(along with high selling SUVs & light trucks)..

No pun intended..but lots of moving parts in this long debacle.
You're correct, the shutdown is due to the transmission housings. I run a facility that touches 100% of these and we haven't seen any in over a week. They seem to have the problem solved and parts should start flowing today.
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[QUOTE=ArmchairArchitect;1602956095]Because the UAW has monopolized labor. Businesses are not allowed to hire outside of UAW labor and that should be illegal, just like it is now illegal to have compulsory union membership for the public sector.

What that leads to is archaic union rules that hurt businesses, and overcompensation (inflated wages, big pensions, excessive time off, etc. etc.) for the skillset, driving up the prices of goods/services for consumers (or causing manufacturers to cut corners/reduce expenses elsewhere, such as in materials, in order to be able to compete with competitors).

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I respect your view. I don't agree with it, but that's OK. The UAW membership is under 400,000. GM employs more non union labor that organized labor. One bad CEO can do decades of damage far more than 55000 union workers, and then that bad CEO gets a golden parachute upon being fired.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by C82021
Just to clarify.
THIS week shutdown is due to transmission parts issues. THAT seems temporary.
but...
NEXT week shutdown is due to the much bigger , industry wide issue of Chips shortage. This is a longer term issue BUT going forward GM is prioritizing the Corvette higher than all other GM “cars”(along with high selling SUVs & light trucks)..

No pun intended..but lots of moving parts in this long debacle.
Or is it transmission issues? Maybe not chips at all in Corvettes case.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by WTFvette
Maybe a 14 year old Mexican building your car would be better? There are two sets of signatures on a collective bargaining agreement, Managements and Unions. Why is it so bad that a group of people wish to have representation? Oh and the average UAW wage is around $30 bucks an hour.
Unions have gone down the drain over the years, I've been a union member my whole life. They protect the "undesirable" workers and make it difficult to fire or discipline them. I find most union workers think they are untouchable. Looking at trends, unions will be gone sooner than later.
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Originally Posted by ArmchairArchitect
Because the UAW has monopolized labor. Businesses are not allowed to hire outside of UAW labor and that should be illegal, just like it is now illegal to have compulsory union membership for the public sector.

What that leads to is archaic union rules that hurt businesses, and overcompensation (inflated wages, big pensions, excessive time off, etc. etc.) for the skillset, driving up the prices of goods/services for consumers (or causing manufacturers to cut corners/reduce expenses elsewhere, such as in materials, in order to be able to compete with competitors).

Exactly
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by WMallocation
Unions have gone down the drain over the years, I've been a union member my whole life. They protect the "undesirable" workers and make it difficult to fire or discipline them. I find most union workers think they are untouchable. Looking at trends, unions will be gone sooner than later.
I remember a story that made the news a couple of years ago. Apparently a small group of Chrysler employees were caught smoking dope in the parking lot during their "smoke" break. Chrysler immediately fired the employees and called the police, who seized the illegal drugs. Chrysler was then apparently forced by the union to rehire the employees and provide back pay, under threat of a plant wide strike. If true (and it made several major newspapers), it is just a small sampling of the breathtaking power the unions have seized over the years...

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Originally Posted by MagicGlass
Or is it transmission issues? Maybe not chips at all in Corvettes case.
You're correct, the shutdown is due to the transmission housings. I run a facility that touches 100% of these and we haven't seen any in over a week. They seem to have the problem solved and parts should start flowing today.
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Originally Posted by WTFvette
I respect your view. I don't agree with it, but that's OK. The UAW membership is under 400,000. GM employs more non union labor that organized labor. One bad CEO can do decades of damage far more than 55000 union workers, and then that bad CEO gets a golden parachute upon being fired.
Two wrongs don't make a right. No need to take sides and protect a racket just because there's a bad practice elsewhere. That's tribalist and part of the polarization that's ruining our country.

Also, the non union labor is not factory employees, its mostly white collar/office workers.
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You're correct, the shutdown is due to the transmission housings. I run a facility that touches 100% of these and we haven't seen any in over a week. They seem to have the problem solved and parts should start flowing today.
Is next week's shutdown a continuation of the transmission housing issue or is it chips?
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ADoes anyone know if they are shipping cars mine is sitting in the lot .?
Same here.
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