Ford in not one of them going all in... BMW won't go all in either....Its impossible to go all electric yet...and for a long time coming... no matter what kommifornia says..

 

It’s amazing what technology and science can solve. Lot of nay sayers and I understand that. Lot of folks never drove an ev and most of us never did a road trip.

I test drove a super duper Tesla and for me it has no soul. My son has 2 teslas, been on significant road trips and loves the cars. A few years back he went to spring mountain with me and ended up with a c7 so loves cars.

I’m in a decent spot for the new eray.

I just don’t understand all the resistance to new technology ?

Every car company is doing electric. There are numerous new car companies spending millions to get into the market.

how can there be billions being sunk into evs if there is no future?

 

The comparison with ICE vs horse and buggy is a good one but the EV analogy is flawed. I don't believe the horse and buggy were outlawed. I believe the ICE took over from a market pull. Ford production line invention, low price, etc. Now we are seeing ICE being outlawed. It is not market driven. EV has taken laws and government subsidies to gain a foothold, Government has queered the market and that never bodes well. To be successfully market driven the EVs need to be cheaper and more productive than ICE. Then the change will be natural and the Government can butt out.

 

None of that changes the likelihood that EV tech will continue to improve. Perhaps dramatically.

And it's not just governments. Look at what GM just put out. Manufacturers believe there is more profit, long term, in EVs than in ICE powered cars. Much lower labor costs to build.

https://www.edf.org/media/gm-and-edf...027-and-beyond

 

I can see it now. CA will be like Cuba. Some will keep repairing their ICE cars and keep them forever. The state won't have the money to buy ICE cars from the public to get them off of the road.

 

Hahaaa...CA is already like Cuba and since I'm selling a property right now my hope is one of those Californians running from the Burning State buys it. They come to AZ with cash!

There is a slight chance of a monster game of musical chairs here. Right now there are 284,000,000 cars in the US. Only 1% of those are EV, the rest ICE. If more (or all) states get aggressive as CA is doing, and the timeframe is short, the junkyards taking ICE cars that are no longer allowed to be licensed on the roads will be colossal. So, the game is - When the music stops, how long do you hold on to your ICE before biting the bullet...and how much of a loss will you take?

 

Here is my question… what happens to current ICE cars and classic ICE cars? There has to be some kind of gasoline infrastructure that remains to maintain these vehicles. Am I right?

 

As gasoline usage goes down the price will go up as refineries close down. There will probably always be some gasoline for those that can afford it but it will be a "boutique" business. A bigger question is what will happen to the supply of all the fuels that are byproducts of gasoline (natural gas, propane, kerosene, jet fuel, etc.). Gasoline was initially a waste product of kerosene for lamps but now it is the other way around. I think the refineries can only compensate so much to get the other products.

 

Well, if the "greenies" rule and they don't accept burning fossil fuels.... You'd be wrong.

My guess is there will be huge car museums in every city where you'll go to see expensive cars sitting like Ferraris, Lambos, Porsches, Bugattis, and such from a "Past Era" known as the "ICE AGE". Everything else ICE will be sent to the scrap yards which will have to be everywhere too. Maybe there will be some multi-trillion $ ICE buyback for all of those literally unable to financially make the EV transition...or there will be public transportation...trains and such...

 

This discussion always flares up ever few months or so... a couple of observations

1. 100% of future predictions are 50% wrong, and 50% of future predictions are 100% wrong.

2. After 30 years in the telecom industry, I saw a CENTURY of communications infrastructure in the US (and the world) shift to Cellular/Fiber/TCP-IP in a decade... nobody in 1995 could have predicted that.

3. The intrusive, socialist, "Government" has been aggressively subsidizing home ownership since WWII... US has highest home ownership in the world... I don't hear anyone complaining about that.

4. Consumer demand will determine how fast/slow EVs will penetrate the market... as electric charging infrastructure begins to rival the current metro distribution infrastructure, I suspect for the basic family hauler, EV will begin to dominate, but ICE will still be available if a market exists... just remember, Corvette is one of the best-selling performance cars in the world, but still represents about Two Tenths of One Percent... of the US car market... this is not a "Niche" market segment... It's a Micro-Nano fringe market segment...

As long as there is a market for iCE cars, someone will be selling them into the (un)foreseeable future.

 

I’m not against change I’m just against I’ll planned change that is shoved down your throat.

 

Electric cars are a scam. A money grab by politicians. They are far worse for the environment and are not practical in any sense. Gas engines can and should continue. It is up to rational thinking people to speak up and demand that they be produced. We have all the power. Fact.

 

No such thing as "burning" without carbon emissions.
Now if we just had a 'Mister Fusion'!

 

Hydrogen

 

That synthetic gasoline was made from cooking coal - NOT very environmentally friendly! The Germans had been cut off from the oil fields and so had to produce gas some other way - regardless of the cost in money or environmental damage.

 

Don’t believe every shiny new thing, especially from politicians. Remember how bit coin was going to the sky a year ago? Things change.

 

"Hydrogen"
You are correct - my apologies. I thought you were talking about traditional liquid fuel.
The burning of hydrogen doesn't produce CO2, but the manufacturing of it sure does.

 

And here you are with your predictions in #4!

yes we all have them…predictions that is…

 

It wasn't me that did the post about alternative fuels, I was just commenting on your post. And manufacturing of hydrogen doesn't have to produce C02. The same electricity that is used to charge batteries could be used to be used to produce hydrogen. So if the electricity to charge batteries was CO2 free then so could be the hydrogen.
But, I agree, that isn't the way we are going. It appears EVs will be the near-term future for personal passenger vehicles.

 

At the beginning of ICE, people needed to get gasoline from places like pharmacies. First actual gas station as we know it now was in 1913. So, ICE faced similar constraints at the beginning.

EV technology is growing strong right now, because that's where the investment dollars of large governments and corporations are headed. Look for new battery technologies, such as Aluminum Sulphur and Solid State, which offer way better capacity and $/kW, to overtake the Lithium based technologies currently in favor. MIT along with other top research labs are getting big money to change the game.

My "prediction" while it ails me to even say it, is that eventually only the rich will actually have the luxury of owning their personal daily POV. Sadly, the push for market efficiency will drive an industry that provides transportation as a service. The vehicles will self drive for the most part, and you will just buy the service as you need it. The car may be in your driveway or garage overnight, but you won't own it. Cars will become utilitarian conveniences that are provided by corporations for use as needed by the public. Just swap it at the next convenient yard for another very similar vehicle. Grandparents will wax poetic about when they owned their own ICE vehicle and what freedom of the road felt like. Kids will be looking at them like they don't know how to program a remote, saying things like, "Whatever, Betaman". Thankfully, I will be long gone when this occurs, and I have no descendants to which I would wax poetic.