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I'll never wrap my head around your gratuitous use of !s Jerry, lol. But I agree that GMs terms for "leather" are marketing mumbo jumbo.
Communications has always been what I like doing. When the audience is over 100 I love it! Have to sound excited! So, I like to use!! Helps with some to communicate enthusiasm, which I have!
Yep agree my old English teacher would say it's excessive!
BUT the teacher I remember most was in 7th grade! Drilled prepositions into our head: in, on, under, over, to, at, by, for, from, of, off, up, down, above, across, along, among, around, before, behind, below, beside, between, into, near, toward, under, upon, with ....
The reason I remember is she had a set of 38 Ds!! Recall a guy dropped a pencil when she was in front of his desk, and she picked it up! Caught him starring when she got up and slapped him!
Yea, a suede headliner 3LT C8 looks like something from Super Fly.
BTW; common misconception and pet peeve of mine but Super Fly is not a pimp, he’s a dope dealer. Just a little pop culture tidbit for future reference.
Well......in the movie he did threaten to put one of his dope dealing friend's girlfriend out in the street if his friend didn't come through with some money he was owed.
That being said, he was also trying desperately to get out of the dope selling game but wasn't getting any cooperation from those around him who'd gotten used to that money and lifestyle.
Communications has always been what I like doing. When the audience is over 100 I love it! Have to sound excited! So, I like to use!! Helps with some to communicate enthusiasm, which I have!
Yep agree my old English teacher would say it's excessive!
BUT the teacher I remember most was in 7th grade! Drilled prepositions into our head: in, on, under, over, to, at, by, for, from, of, off, up, down, above, across, along, among, around, before, behind, below, beside, between, into, near, toward, under, upon, with ....
The reason I remember is she had a set of 38 Ds!! Recall a guy dropped a pencil when she was in front of his desk, and she picked it up! Caught him starring when she got up and slapped him!
You didnt learn the "yankee doodle" preposition song (sung to yankee doodle melody)?
With on for after at by in
Against (instead of) near between
To off from under down below
Through over up (according to).
Abroad across beyond about
Before behind within without
Amongst around amidst above
Toward notwithstanding into of.
Although its not a complete list... Ok, thats enough off topic for me today lol.
I'm nearly 100% certain the actual material is different on the 3LT dash. I'll see if I can find something definitive, but given how much more durable (resistant to scratches) the 2LT dash is, I'd bet money it is vinyl and not any type of leather, bonded or otherwise.
Edit: the 2LT dash may be Mulan while the 3LT dash is nappa? Cant confirm but did find this pic comparing mulan (left) to napa (right). The texture on the left is identical to the 2LT dash texture, while the one on the right is identical to the 3LT dash (and doors, etc) texture.
Then again there is this:
So the 2LT may be "TPO" aka synthetic leather and the 3LT may be mulan, although the pic above sure shows a "napa" leather that looks like the 3LT dash. It also validates my supppsition that 2LT is some sort of vinyl (TPO/fake leather sure seems like vinyl of a sort to me).
Either way, I stand by my statement that they are a different material.
See post #31. Bader provides the leather for the C8 and Bader has a bonded leather which is what is likely used in the 3LT dash and the other "leather" wrapped interior components. https://bader-leather.com/en/competencies/kollamat
The 2LT rental car looking plastic steering wheel, as you say, looks and feels pretty good to me. At least good enough not to pay an additional $5000 for the 3LT. Seems you have the tenancy to exaggerate a little.
Please post a photo of your 3LT steering wheel for comparison. Thanks
here’s the 3LT wheel for comparison..
I would have been happy with 2LT (that’s what I would have ordered), found my ‘22 3Lt used for a decent price and now having 3lt, I’ll be ordering it again when my name get pulled from the bucket. You can argue all you want about the value, but it is nicer. similar arguments about Z51.. those without the options tend to hate on them.
That would be pretty messed up if you let someone sit on your car and they said it looks like crap.
It's not about being messed up, it's someone's opinion. For example I love the high wing spoiler, my dad liked the simple rear spoiler look. He has told me that he doesn't like the look, but also said it was my car and I should do what looks good to me. So at the end of the day someone can give their opinion on the car and I wouldn't care because regardless I love it.
If you’re risk averse getting a C8 at all is not an easy option.
If your dash is going to bubble it will happen soon and it’s under warranty. It cost you a trip to the dealer at your connivence. If your DCT trashes itself it’s also under warranty but you’re stuck on a bridge during rush hour and need a tow truck and it will not happen at your convenience and you’ll be out of a car for weeks waiting in a DCT.
But, if you're too scared of getting a DCT issue and don't get a C8 because of it, you miss out on all the fun of owning a C8.
90k+/- people so far have determined the return of owning a C8 far outweighs the risk of missing out on all the fun by not owning one.
It's not about being messed up, it's someone's opinion. For example I love the high wing spoiler, my dad liked the simple rear spoiler look. He has told me that he doesn't like the look, but also said it was my car and I should do what looks good to me. So at the end of the day someone can give their opinion on the car and I wouldn't care because regardless I love it.
The point is if I didn’t like someone’s taste in a car they dumped $90k on, I sure wouldn’t tell them after they let me sit in it. If you’re looking for real time feedback on if something looks good to other people or not, taking a poll from your friends isn’t exactly a good barometer.
But I agree from the C7 experience where the dash was different by deduction from observed results, it may be for the C8. Could be Vinyl, (polyvinyl choline) more expensive Polyuritnane, either with some finely ground real leather scrapes.
BUT they are all made with a resin covering a material backing and bucking, rather than the C7 shrinkage issue, is a glue to backing problem!
I agree, but what’s frustrating is that there seems to be a lot of science behind automotive interior materials and they are created by companies that only do automotive interiors for multiple manufacturers, yet common sense would tell you you need enough glue, but that seems to be the part they can’t get right. I don’t need to be a leather expert to know that.
haha! After all these comments and threads and debates, someone pops in with that same old one sentence generalization.
I’d have to disagree. The 1LT is the best bang for your buck. It’s a bargain on the level of being a possible loss leader for GM. 99% of the people out there will not be able to tell you bought the base model. It includes everything you need and even a few things you don’t. It’s extremely well equipped and you don’t suffer for anything quality wise vs the 2LT.
The 2LT is very big up-charge for a small number of minor gadgets. GM clearly designed it as a profit generation trim by including some items that many people deem to be “must haves” like the blind spot monitoring and the front camera. After having these things, I can easily see that they are not must haves at all. I could live happily without them. Your money is better spent on the HTC than the 2LT.
Now the 3LT is also a pricey upgrade but it includes everything the 2LT has plus the GT2 seats everyone wants plus a more luxurious interior trim and better interior color options too. It “looks” nicer to the general public. For $10k it’s a decent deal.
So my opinion is 1LT is best bang for your buck, 1LT HTC is a nice way to spend 7k, and go 3LT if you want the nicest possible C8 with all the toys. Only go 2LT if you absolutely have to have those options but don’t want GT2 seats.
haha! After all these comments and threads and debates, someone pops in with that same old one sentence generalization.
I’d have to disagree. The 1LT is the best bang for your buck. It’s a bargain on the level of being a possible loss leader for GM. 99% of the people out there will not be able to tell you bought the base model. It includes everything you need and even a few things you don’t. It’s extremely well equipped and you don’t suffer for anything quality wise vs the 2LT.
The 2LT is very big up-charge for a small number of minor gadgets. GM clearly designed it as a profit generation trim by including some items that many people deem to be “must haves” like the blind spot monitoring and the front camera. After having these things, I can easily see that they are not must haves at all. I could live happily without them. Your money is better spent on the HTC than the 2LT.
Now the 3LT is also a pricey upgrade but it includes everything the 2LT has plus the GT2 seats everyone wants plus a more luxurious interior trim and better interior color options too. It “looks” nicer to the general public. For $10k it’s a decent deal.
So my opinion is 1LT is best bang for your buck, 1LT HTC is a nice way to spend 7k, and go 3LT if you want the nicest possible C8 with all the toys. Only go 2LT if you absolutely have to have those options but don’t want GT2 seats.
Speaking of generalizations, your bolded above is a really good example.
haha! After all these comments and threads and debates, someone pops in with that same old one sentence generalization.
I’d have to disagree. The 1LT is the best bang for your buck. It’s a bargain on the level of being a possible loss leader for GM. 99% of the people out there will not be able to tell you bought the base model. It includes everything you need and even a few things you don’t. It’s extremely well equipped and you don’t suffer for anything quality wise vs the 2LT.
The 2LT is very big up-charge for a small number of minor gadgets. GM clearly designed it as a profit generation trim by including some items that many people deem to be “must haves” like the blind spot monitoring and the front camera. After having these things, I can easily see that they are not must haves at all. I could live happily without them. Your money is better spent on the HTC than the 2LT.
Now the 3LT is also a pricey upgrade but it includes everything the 2LT has plus the GT2 seats everyone wants plus a more luxurious interior trim and better interior color options too. It “looks” nicer to the general public. For $10k it’s a decent deal.
So my opinion is 1LT is best bang for your buck, 1LT HTC is a nice way to spend 7k, and go 3LT if you want the nicest possible C8 with all the toys. Only go 2LT if you absolutely have to have those options but don’t want GT2 seats.
Or get the 2LT since you get a ton of features for the money that you know you will use.
Well, I certainly got a lot more than I asked for on my original post! I'm definately going with the 3LT as the upgraded leather and beautiful stitching really adds in my opinion. My current 3LT is still gorgeouse even though I did have a little de-lamination. I'll take that chance again in order to have the premium interior. Thanks to all the great responses, and also those that were less than good!
