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Old Aug 27, 2023 | 09:33 AM
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Who else is worried about a potential strike have an order at 3000 for a 24 MY htc . I have a tpw of 9/11 ....if this strike happens how long do you guys think it will last ? .I was hoping to get the car late September or early October. What's your opinion on this situation . Thanks in advance vette brothers .this is my baby

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https://insideevs.com/news/683616/ul...s-negotiation/ I think they negotiated a deal .I don't know if that's across all Gm workers or just that part of GM where they uild the batteries for EV's
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https://insideevs.com/news/683616/ul...s-negotiation/ I think they negotiated a deal .I don't know if that's across all Gm workers or just that part of GM where they uild the batteries for EV's
That’s a tiny joint venture subcontractor. A start but long way to go. Everyone should be entitled to a 25% pay raise regardless of education, skill, or qualifications. I’m going to make that demand and hope for that settlement with my boss tomorrow.
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That’s a tiny joint venture subcontractor. A start but long way to go. Everyone should be entitled to a 25% pay raise regardless of education, skill, or qualifications. I’m going to make that demand and hope for that settlement with my boss tomorrow.
I guess wistfully thinking on my part lol
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That’s a tiny joint venture subcontractor. A start but long way to go. Everyone should be entitled to a 25% pay raise regardless of education, skill, or qualifications. I’m going to make that demand and hope for that settlement with my boss tomorrow.
Remined of the one thing that was fun during the early 1980's Inflation. Was transferred to corporate office in CT and home interest rates were 17%. CD's were paying 12 to 14%. We were raising prices monthly to keep up with cost increases!

BUT I found one thing surprising. Had managed a ~35 person R&D Lab in the mid to late 1970s. Was giving only 3 to 4% raises as that is what our Corporate formal point system allowed for a given job function. I started a group in CT of higher paid folks and with inflation at like 12+% rases of 8 to 11% were part of corporate plan. Funny I recall the big smiles on faces when I discussed performance and gave a 10% raise. It was being eaten up by 12+% inflation BUT the percentage was something they were not used to.

Inflation rates are ~4% NOT 12% (yet.) Not going to get 10% raises!
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... Take a factory tour. Every single job is SIMPLE, with almost no time stress. I didn't see one operation that could not be learned in less than a day and performed at 60% attention...
It is very easy for their importance to be downplayed, working 8 hours or more day after day for years is not as simple as you state. They are working in a factory not a Country Club.
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It is very easy for their importance to be downplayed, working 8 hours or more day after day for years is not as simple as you state. They are working in a factory not a Country Club.
The base package now cost GM $70 per hour. The skill/training level required is about the same as kids getting paid $15 per hour at the Fast Food places.

Not downplaying or belittling their importance but serious, guys putting tires on wheels with state of the art equipment at $70 per hour compared to what the guys are doing at Discount Tire for about $30 per hour cost to the company.

I managed large construction projects all over the US. Fought with the unions all the time. Never a real issue with the people working. The bigger issue was the outrageous rules. Union v Non Union cost 2-3 times as much and took twice as long to complete the same work. FYI the non union/open shop guys took home more money than the union guys because they worked harder and earned it.
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The base package now cost GM $70 per hour...
That might be true but it is a lot less than upper management's bottom line costs and even less than their top tier administration.
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That might be true but it is a lot less than upper management's bottom line costs and even less than their top tier administration.
And what does that have to do with anything? The CEO of McDonalds makes $18 million per year and the CEO of Walmart $24 million
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Old Aug 27, 2023 | 11:33 AM
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The base package now cost GM $70 per hour. The skill/training level required is about the same as kids getting paid $15 per hour at the Fast Food places.

Not downplaying or belittling their importance but serious, guys putting tires on wheels with state of the art equipment at $70 per hour compared to what the guys are doing at Discount Tire for about $30 per hour cost to the company.

I managed large construction projects all over the US. Fought with the unions all the time. Never a real issue with the people working. The bigger issue was the outrageous rules. Union v Non Union cost 2-3 times as much and took twice as long to complete the same work. FYI the non union/open shop guys took home more money than the union guys because they worked harder and earned it.
I hope everyone reading this posting has a working bull **** filter. Just drive into a large non union construction project employee parking lot and than go check out the same at a large union project and then make you own mind as to who might be making a better living wage.
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Nobody wants a strike. The workers don't want it but all those concessions from 2007 were supposed to be temporary. $250 billion in profits the last 10 years is wild and they just want caught back up. I've worked in some of those factories as an outside contractor. The dog and pony show tour is not reality. Most of those people are hard working and care about what they do. The small number of lazy ones get all the press.
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Originally Posted by Vega$Vette
And what does that have to do with anything...
Quite a lot.

Last year the water downed inflation rate was 8.3% and this year so far is somewhere around 3% but the worst part is prices on just about any goods or service don't come down on the contrary the cost of living keeps increasing. So if GM's top brass are enjoying high salaries and bonuses it is only fair those in the bottom of the food chain get a piece of the pie.
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Are you purposely omitting benefits from the equation? If no pension or health that take home will be reduced substantially and when those construction workers get old and worn out where will they be, at the mercy of the system at time when they struggle to cope with barely living in a poor part of town with no resources. Will you circle back with all the money you made from their labor to pick them up?
You work hard, you buy your own health insurance, you save and invest. You don't rely on someone else to support your a** when you retire.

Free market. If you feel you are worth more or deserve more than you are getting paid you walk and get a new job. If you don't know, union workers produce at the lowest common denominator. People that work hard quickly see there is no incentive to do so. In fact I've seen shop stewards tell harder working people to slow down because they are making the others look bad. So naturally the entire labor group adapts the attitude of doing just enough to get by or leaving to seek employment where working harder is rewarded.

There's the definition of socialism for you. Everybody gets the same regardless of contribution.
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I hope everyone reading this posting has a working bull **** filter. Just drive into a large non union construction project employee parking lot and than go check out the same at a large union project and then make you own mind as to who might be making a better living wage.
Indeed. Non union employees salivate looking at the autos, benefits and pay union employees have. Especially where in a union meritocracy is a foreign word.
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https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-n...nge-it-s-toast

UAW needs to change to survive

Just sayin
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Indeed. Non union employees salivate looking at the autos, benefits and pay union employees have. Especially where in a union meritocracy is a foreign word.
That's funny right there. How many of us are driving C8s that are/were Union guys?

I do hope the strike is avoided. Strikes help nobody.
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Looks like since 2019 things cost 20% more now than they did in 2019. Have salaries of hourly workers increased by 20%? I don't know - but I am thinking not.



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What's the difference in pay between a union GM worker and a non-union Tesla worker?

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That's funny right there. How many of us are driving C8s that are/were Union guys?

I do hope the strike is avoided. Strikes help nobody.
Pipefitters Local 208 Denver 21 years, Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers (BLE) 21 years. Nobody wins in a strike.
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Pipefitters Local 208 Denver 21 years, Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers (BLE) 21 years. Nobody wins in a strike.
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