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When I ordered my C8 I waited thru a strike, Covid shut downs, part shortages, weeks of delays making right hand drive cars, and semiconductor shortages all for 13 1/2 months. It is what it is.
Stereotyping CEO's is so foolish. Guess you didn't read what I mentioned about GM's CEO in a prior post!
"Mary Barra has a tough demanding job. She probably knows more about car manufacture than most other Auto CEOs. Started at GM when 18 and was initially responsible for inspections, such as checking on hoods and fenders, She used the money she earned to cover her college costs. She held various positions in engineering and administration, working to become the manager of the Detroit Assembly plant. Barra became the Vice President of Global Manufacturing Engineering. She became the VP of Global Human Resources before moving on to become the VP of Global Product Development.
Her role extended to cover Global Purchasing and Supply Chain before she eventually worked her way to the top, becoming the CEO in 2014."
Mary Barra???? Tough and demanding???? HAHAHAHAH. She is destroying GM. From HR to GPD. What a joke. Just look at the build quality of what is being made.
Mary Barra???? Tough and demanding???? HAHAHAHAH. She is destroying GM. From HR to GPD. What a joke. Just look at the build quality of what is being made.
AAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnd Shes all in on DEI and ESG. Nice eh? Enjoy that 100k Silverado and 150k Caddy Electric.
Heck bring in the scabs. Tons of invaders willing to work at $5 per hour. Silver lining is the hundreds of thousands of vehicles, particularly trucks. can now be sold.
I don't think they will strike too long because it will effect business and the bean counters won't let that happen ....I think maybe a week I'd say if they strike . I don't think those workers can stay home and not get a paycheck for 1 month or more . Families need to be fed .
The 2019 strike lasted 40 days. GM lost so much money they would have been better off giving the union almost everything they wanted. The UAW gave a lot of concessions after the industry bankruptcies. Since then, the auto makers have reaped record profits, stockholders have seen huge returns, while workers have lost ground to inflation year after year. The economic conditions that led to those concessions no longer exist - time for the workers to get some of the benefits of the profit on their labor.
Originally Posted by blackvetterzo6
so your saying GM keeps working if they strike somewhere else, I don’t think that’s how the UAW works. Have no idea but strike one plant and the union strikes them all. This would mean all GM employees would actually work while there brothers and sisters strike, kind of defeats the whole purpose.
That's how it worked in 2019. GM shut down, the other makers kept building.
Last edited by Red Mist Rulz; Aug 28, 2023 at 02:16 PM.
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The UAW national leadership has deviated from its decades long "pattern bargaining" strategy, where one manufacturer at a time is targeted. This time they announced that all 3 legacy US manufacturers are targeted.
Of course, there's a lot of time left for things to change. Just because the contract expiration date has been reached does not mean a strike starts on that date. Negotiations could be extended beyond that deadline and usually are.
AAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnd Shes all in on DEI and ESG. Nice eh? Enjoy that 100k Silverado and 150k Caddy Electric.
Don't need, want either. In addition to my C8, built street rod when I retired 23 years ago. Did all my own wiring and amazed never have had an issue! It gets about 10 mpg when just cruising but can deal with gasoline price increases. These are 4 large sheets of drafting paper that I used to made the cars wiring diagrams!
Lots of wires under the dash all neatly bundled with wire ties.
Battery is inside the right rear of the sedan with two sets of wiring terminals. One always hot, the other energized its circuit with relays. The geared Chevy starter is activated by a Ford solenoid near the battery!
No room for a rear seat with the set back 8.2 Liter BB and tubbed rear. So made a "sound wall!"
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Originally Posted by don.bernow@mts.com
AAAAAAAnnnnnnnnnnnd Shes all in on DEI and ESG. Nice eh? Enjoy that 100k Silverado and 150k Caddy Electric.
When your rage is so hot you start replying to your own posts, it’s time to step away from the keyboard. I’m sure MTS Systems would appreciate it Mr. Bernow.
If C8 is in transit on the Semi truck from BG to West coast dealer when the strike starts 09/14/2023, do you think they finish the delivery? Or they just park the semi on the side of the road and let it sit until strike is over?
Originally Posted by sshallen
It appears Jack Cooper drivers are in the Teamsters union. They'll have to decide whether to park the trucks or accept the unspoken risks.
Maybe they will ditch the semi and all the C8's at the truck stop and then take an Uber back home.
The 2019 strike lasted 40 days. GM lost so much money they would have been better off giving the union almost everything they wanted. The UAW gave a lot of concessions after the industry bankruptcies. Since then, the auto makers have reaped record profits, stockholders have seen huge returns, while workers have lost ground to inflation year after year. The economic conditions that led to those concessions no longer exist - time for the workers to get some of the benefits of the profit on their labor.
That's how it worked in 2019. GM shut down, the other makers kept building.
stockholders have seen huge returns? Take a look at gms stock, it’s Done nothing over the last decade. Where as the SP500 is up what, like 100% or so.
I think the Government got a large share of GM in exchange for the so called "bail out". It sold off those shares over time - but I think it was a net loss. If you ignore the other side of the equation. There large numbers of American workers whose jobs and incomes were saved, with associated tax revenues. I wont pretend to know the details but I would not pass a "soundbite" judgement on that call without doing some extensive research. I am glad that GM did come back from that though.
Don't I remember us tax payers bailing out GM.
my understanding is we never got paid back.
???
Yes we did, and in full! GM's extensive gratitude of our good deeds has been expressed ever since...
... ... ...
... minimal annual price increases, free engine and tranny replacements, excellent customer care, keeping those pesky dealers from not charging more than $25K markups, what else could we want?
During the recovery period, the Corvette was one of the product lines that was saved (because it was actually profitable), and some of the (arguably, I s'pose) best Corvettes were produced. The Government did experience a net loss, even after selling off the GM shares it acquired (I thnk 61%). But it also saved lots and lots of taxpayer jobs jobs at GM and at all of the suppliers that depended on GM for business. Hard to predict what would have happened without that happening.
The Republican President at the time originally led the decision to bailout GM and Chrysler to avoid the devastating results of their permanent bankruptcy and potential liquidation. The U.S invested 52 billion dollars in the effort with GM. Of that amount, 6.7 billion was a direct loan that was paid back in full by GM. The balance was offset by stock in GM.
The government was essentially out of the entire process by 2014 and the cost was originally reported to be a total of 11.2 billion. That figure was ultimately revised to a 9.7 billion dollar cost to the U.S. Historians have maintained in the years since, the action was one of the best Presidential moves ever made and a tremendous success for the Country. Often forgotten but widely reported at the time was the fact one in ten jobs in the U.S. were directly or indirectly related to the American automotive business of the time.
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