TRIFECTA: First to Native-Tune the C8 - News - trifectaperformance.com

 

This is fantastic news. Thanks for sharing!

 

Now we're talking!

I wonder if they'll structure tuning packages like they did for the C7? I'm also curious if it can be flashed in-car or require bench-flashing?

 

Excellent news! I can't wait to see results from tuning with intake and exhaust.

 

Very excited and interested to see what some of the mods people have been adding will show on power gains with tuning. Hopefully we will see some much larger benefits from the parts everyone has been throwing at the cars with minimal gains.

 

 

What do you mean?

That is an accurate statement and generally is for most NA factory applications.

People bought HP Tuners and stuff like that for stock engines being sold a bill of goods that it will improve performance but it won't, at best some more aggressive pedal tuning made the car seem more responsive.

This will create a real FI market for the C8 and that is where it really is needed.

 

That's impressive. I really wish there was a little more technical detail regarding how they went about it. Hopefully they can add the TCM to the mix soon and have a full end to end solution.

 

I do not know how and I did ask but I often wondered if GM had a test/dev mode that shut off all the encryption and verifications for development.

If it's the same as the BW they say they modify modify the ecu

 

The elephant in the room, are over air updates. What happens then? If it's truly able to me manipulated, then the manufacturer updates overnight, then what?

 

According to their comments on the CT4 BW, OTA still works....but depending on their method who knows what the future will bring.

ECU changes probably are rare OTA, I could not find one. GM would have to be pretty brave to push out an OTA update that could affect the ability of the vehicle to drive, too many liability issues with safety.

I glanced through the OTA updates for the past few months and none of them seem to affect the ECU itself, only supplementary systems like infotainment.

Would GM attempt to brick those ECU's after the fact via OTA? I bet it would cause a **** storm.

This will come to a head soon because it is one thing to bring a car into the dealer with a modified ECU and deny warranty than to remotely disable a vehicle.

It falls under the whole right to repair. The auto industry has made a big deal about these systems being integral to the car so what makes the software any different than a control arm?

Both were designed to perform a function and you bought that part. They are twisting and using software copyright/licensing laws and the only reason it has not been settled is nobody has pushed it yet.

Software licensing is generally built around the concept your buying a piece of software to run on your own hardware. In a vehicle your buying an integrated system and the law should be different.

 

You raise good points, but I doubt the manufacture cares or agrees. Interesting stuff, nonetheless

 

That's a great point and a potential big risk of the OEM bricking the ECU because it was modified.

 

The auto industry is liability adverse although they never learn their lesson from it. I would not say the courts treat the auto industry unfairly, but they sure do even things out because manufacturers do some shitty things.

I am not completely sure but I believe the automobile, maybe less than the cell phone is the most abundant consumer product that affects people's daily lives.

Anything that involves the safety/lively hood of the individual the courts come down hard on and playing fast and loose with people's understanding of copywrite/software licensing laws I see could be seen that way.

I am actually surprised nobody has gone after them for vehicle tracking and privacy.

They say they do not do it but when you use your phone apps to control your car your not talking to the car, your both connected to a central system so that system has to do some tracking, even if they say they throw the information out. My guess is they do not and claim they need it for customer service/diagnostic reasons.

Dealers automatically turn that stuff on and do not tell the consumer. They did it on my wife's Wrangler(which uses Onstar's network and back end) and I raised hell over it.

The legality of it probably won't come down to ability to modify a car. It will come down to the whole right to repair and future needs.

When you sell a consumer something and lock them into going and only buying service from a single source that becomes an issue for the courts on the consumer side.

 

They probably check if it is modified first. Then they could skip flashing it and note that it has been modified on the warranty profile.

 

They should post a video showing it actually tuned. Would be easy show no added electronics on the car. Do a pull with stock timing, and then one where say 10 degrees is commanded. Then another where afr is changed. Plus show it actually being flashed. I think it's a hoax until it's actually shown.

 

I agree.....it would be nice to show some kind of evidence.

 

I have discussed this issue with HPTUNNER engineer, on how do dealers know if I tune my car or not.
he said that they check last flash date, and compare with their job order date.

 

Can't wait to completely disable V4 in all modes

 

You can disable it by switching to Z mode.