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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 03:30 PM
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Jet-Hot is absolutely a thermal coating. It drastically reduces underhood temperatures when applied to exhaust manifolds/headers, etc. You can take a normal drive and sometimes touch a header coated with it whereas a plain mild steel header would absolutely burn you. I'm not saying you'd want to keep your hand there for a ten count but it's not hot to the point that your reflexes kick in and you jerk your hand away. Swain Tech White Ligtning is good stuff as well and probably does outperform Jet-Hot but at a price point much higher. Once intent is met and the header is coated sufficiently to keep it from ruining anything around it, you've reached that point of diminishing returns as far as coating performance.
if jet hot was so good they wouldnt have to be paying header companies to refer them to their coatings as a "factory direct" type option
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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 03:41 PM
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if jet hot was so good they wouldnt have to be paying header companies to refer them to their coatings as a "factory direct" type option
That's actually good business and why most successful companies have advertising & marketing budgets.
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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 03:50 PM
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Not sure what your beef is with Jet-Hot exactly. I've used it on probably 10-12 cars over many years. Never had any issues with it. I still have an old VW VR6 that got coated probably 20 years ago on the exhaust header and intake manifold. I'm not saying it looks brand new but it looks good and still works.
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Not sure what your beef is with Jet-Hot exactly. I've used it on probably 10-12 cars over many years. Never had any issues with it. I still have an old VW VR6 that got coated probably 20 years ago on the exhaust header and intake manifold. I'm not saying it looks brand new but it looks good and still works.
people think its the bees knees when there is nothing proprietary about their coatings.....the same as any local coater can do but at double the cost....and it does very little in retaining heat inside the exhaust which is the whole goal with coating parts. i assume you have before and after coating temps to verify the coating is "still working"?
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Originally Posted by floorman279
people think its the bees knees when there is nothing proprietary about their coatings.....the same as any local coater can do but at double the cost....and it does very little in retaining heat inside the exhaust which is the whole goal with coating parts. i assume you have before and after coating temps to verify the coating is "still working"?
I 100% agree with the bolded comment (and exactly why I don't use nor recommend them).
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That's actually good business and why most successful companies have advertising & marketing budgets.
paid for by double the cost of others, but hey if you wanna drink the Kool aid then fine. A ceramic coating shouldn't flake off. Yet many do.....
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paid for by double the cost of others, but hey if you wanna drink the Kool aid then fine. A ceramic coating shouldn't flake off. Yet many do.....
Like the one you're here talking about...
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Like the one you're here talking about...
pics or it didnt happen
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pics or it didnt happen
Circa 2002 - 1G DSM o2 housing. J-U-N-K
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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by floorman279
jethot isnt a thermal coating.......if you want thermal you need swaintech white lightning
According to their website it is. Not the best, but I wanted a polished finish.
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According to their website it is. Not the best, but I wanted a polished finish.
I told you to use Michael @ SPC instead for half the price 😉
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Just sent email to 2M asking about what paint/coating they sent off the headers with. Because that’s what I have and for discussion.
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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 123sugey
Just sent email to 2M asking about what paint/coating they sent off the headers with. Because that’s what I have and for discussion.
Based on price, safe assumption it's the DIY powder for use in residential ovens.
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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by floorman279
lol im pretty sure more jethot has flaked off than swain tech......but yea i guess looks in a coating is more important
I'll take the jet hot and after several cars and headers and swaps. They stay nice like you put it on and no flaking off for me. Have set on right now they were on one car for 30k and now another car for 10k and still look like I put them on. Have seen the used the white Swaintech it gets dirty and ugly and flakes off.
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Old Jul 30, 2023 | 11:19 PM
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I'll take the jet hot and after several cars and headers and swaps. They stay nice like you put it on and no flaking off for me. Have set on right now they were on one car for 30k and now another car for 10k and still look like I put them on. Have seen the used the white Swaintech it gets dirty and ugly and flakes off.
the ugly is one thing, you can paint over it whatever color you want.....i dont understand how it flakes off when the "drips" and "overspray" that gets on flanges needs to be hit with a grinder, or with a few seconds a wire brush wheel prior to mounting due to its thickness.
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Old Jul 31, 2023 | 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by floorman279
the ugly is one thing, you can paint over it whatever color you want.....i dont understand how it flakes off when the "drips" and "overspray" that gets on flanges needs to be hit with a grinder, or with a few seconds a wire brush wheel prior to mounting due to its thickness.
...because the adhesion is terrible and it can't withstand repeated heat cycling.
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Old Jul 31, 2023 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
I told you to use Michael @ SPC instead for half the price 😉
‘Right, but they didn’t offer a polished finish. I won’t be putting any (garish, IMO) engine bay trim to cover the headers, either.
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‘Right, but they didn’t offer a polished finish. I won’t be putting any (garish, IMO) engine bay trim to cover the headers, either.
Yes he does, I've personally run it as have multiple friends of mine, it's his standard ceramic coating.
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Old Jul 31, 2023 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Kracka
...because the adhesion is terrible and it can't withstand repeated heat cycling.
depending on the application if the material underneath gets hot enough to expand enough to stretch the coating, then you may have a case......the adhesion is not the problem
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More times than not, when ceramic coatings flake off it's due to the headers seeing heat beyond what the coatings are designed to handle. The dyno is notorious for that if during the tuning process excessive heat is generated without adequate cooling time in between pulls. Most experienced tuners know what's required. With nearly all of the C8's currently run on dyno's being untuned, it's far more unlikely that C8's with common bolt-ons will generate the type of heat that will damage the coating. Now if you go with Swain, that coating can handle quite a bit more without a hiccup.
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