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"Blue smoke means it spun a bearing and bent a rod" 🤦🏻♂️🤣
Really? Three completely unrelated events and yet somehow you've deduced just from listening that both of these things happened,
Nope, not necessarily three completely unrelated events.
Originally Posted by d16dcoe45
A truly "spun" bearing makes a terrible racket because the crank journals are now hitting the ID of the main bore or the big end of the rod. Spun bearing means LITERALLY that: the bearing has grabbed the journal and literally "spun" in its housing. Most of the time that doesn't happen.
Nope. A "spun bearing" can also mean that the coefficient of friction between the bearing and the journal increased to the point that material was wiped from the bearing surface. It would be rare indeed to have the bearing shell completely go away, resulting in the the crank journals hitting the ID of the main bore or the big end of the rod.
And to me, this engine is making "a terrible racket".
Originally Posted by d16dcoe45
A bent rod is a completely different event and only happens from overloading the engine at low rpm (excess boost at say 2500 rpm) or something in the chamber that prevents the piston/rod assembly from completing its rotation--there by bending or even breaking the rod..
Nope. A seized bearing can put enough rotational side load on the rod to bend it. Been there, done that.
Originally Posted by d16dcoe45
Blue smoke is from a compromised oil ring and/or valve guide issue. It can happen from a cracked piston from physical contact (valve float which caused piston/valve contact) A pinched ring land from too many detonation events and/or overheating which prevents the second compression ring (which functions as an oul SCRAPER) from doing its job, or pre-ignition which is different than detonation and often FAR MORE destructive.
That's a pretty sketchy claim. It can also happen from excessive bearing clearance (like from a "spun bearing") which leaves so much clearance that oil under pressure supplied to that bearing has an excessive leak rate, and the excessive oil is thrown onto the cylinder wall, overcoming the rings ability to control it.
I wonder how many miles were on the OD when he first went to the dealership. Would a dealer ever pull something like the parking garage scene in Ferris Bueller's Day Off?
I'm no mechanic. I really don't know myself. But I heard someone say dealers revving a new FPC engine right after cold start could cause damage as well. Is this true?
That is true with any engine, the higher the revs and the colder the temps, the worse it is. IMO, it's never advisable until the oil has got some heat in it.
That is true with any engine, the higher the revs and the colder the temps, the worse it is. IMO, it's never advisable until the oil has got some heat in it.
Agreed. One of the functions of oil is to provide local cooling of hot spots. When oil is too cold and thick to have sufficient flow, bearings can overheat.
Another thing is that valve springs can be more brittle at cold temperatures.
I'm no mechanic. I really don't know myself. But I heard someone say dealers revving a new FPC engine right after cold start could cause damage as well. Is this true?
when I picked up my c7z the salesman and I took a short test drive. When we got off the lot the oil and engine temps were under 100 and the salesman told me to “stomp on it and see what she can do”. I just cringed. Ppl do all kinds of stupid with things that aren’t theirs.
I’ve blown 2 C8 engines and both replaced in 2-3 weeks under warranty.
Curious under what circumstances have you blown 2 LT2s? I find it interesting that you were able to get them replaced in 2-3 weeks as if GM just has LT2s sitting around, yet so many have had their vehicles sitting at dealers for months waiting on parts. If you had absolutely no hassle getting them replaced, then count yourself lucky.
I've had an engine replaced by GM under warranty only after the State Attorney became involved. I had a second on its way out and sold the car before dealing with the same nonsense again.
If the engine is designed with the right tolerances and has the right oiling system, there is no way it should blow like this in 52 miles. But then we need to stop assuming someone cold revved the engine. it could be an assembly issue or a parts issue.
Car is primarily a track car. Both blown engines on track. I followed the GM guidelines for tracking and all service done at dealer.
This is good news re: warranty.
How many miles between failures? Reason for failures?
With full warranty granted on two separate occasions, is this an indication of a weakness in the LT2 - IRT track usage?
Never buy the first year car. The guys down on the list will get theirs in years 3 or 4 and the problems will be worked out by then!
Originally Posted by Higgs Boson
tell that to the 2013 Z06 guys and the Z28 guys, lol.
I’ve always preferred a 3rd MY Z06 (and that looks like what I’ll end up with). If there are actual issues, hopefully they are addressed by then. At the very least we should all know what we are getting ourselves into by that point. For those of us who plan to keep this car for the long haul, this is more of a concern than those who are ok with relying on the warrantee and don’t plan to keep the car long term.
GM will simply replace the engine and we'll never find out what part failed. Hopefully, the oil cooler and lines did not get contaminated causing his second engine to fail as well.
If Mike Ward built the engine this would have never happened
The engine builder's name is on a plaque on the engine. Wonder what the guy that built the engine has to say? Yep, in the future, maybe the name of the engine builder will be a factor in the resale price of the car.
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