GOLD72

The car is for sale to the highest bidder in the time frame that the dealership is willing to hold it on the floor. Pretty simple concept.

kong

They can ASK for whatever they want but you can sure that what it actually sells for will be much less. They uses these high numbers as a starting point so that they can give you say 50,000 off and say you getting a great deal at whatever.

ChucksZ06

Why not ask for 400k It’s all just pissing money away. A lot of hype. It’s a mass produced car and it’s not that great. Gm is playing hard to get with this car and there are enough idiots who think they have to have one to make the strategy successful.

range96

I wonder how much the car is worth completely disassembled and sold piece by piece, down to the last bolt. It may take a while to sell it, but would make money on it.

Korbek

This.

ADM only exist bc people are willing to pay it.

If there isnt a bait and switch, offer MSRP then tack on ADM after the fact, then its the consumer to blaim not the dealer.

I had an opportunity to "flip" a C8 I had a 2nd deposit on. I didnt do it. But most people will go for the quick buck, including dealers. Until consumers stop paying ridiculous markups this thread and others like it ARE very much

range96

Yeah, yeah, but is it Vin 002?

undecided1965

You'd need to compare the M4CSL with the M4. And compare the Z06 with the C8 + Z51 + MRC.

RBK

Lets take a deeper dive.
You understand the word habituation or de-sensitization? Over time we no longer feel as intensely about anything repeated frequently.
Secondly, with enough money, you regret more what you did not do than what you do, Why? Because not doing, you wonder what would have happened. Doing is behind you.
As for happiness, it comes from relationships that grow stronger over time, while pleasure comes from things which (generally) diminish over time. Some try to compensate with pleasure for a lack of happiness. Seldom, if ever works.

Go ahead, give it a shot.

harley2

I’ll check with Dr Phil!

SharkDiverZ06

Maybe...There are at least 81 million idiots in the country.

AzDave47

... and many of them have more money than us.

Higgs Boson

The point still stands.

tzoid9

Higgs, good to see your postings again, I haven't been active in the Forum for a while....traded in my C7 Z06 last year and bought a new Jaguar F type R. A really nice car in all respects, quick, rides and handles great, but not as mean as the Z06 was (which I miss!).
On the new C8 Z06, what chaps me is GM certainly has the right to develop pricing for this car and owes the company and it's stock holders (I am one of 'em) a very fair, or more so, profit on that model...I dig that logic. The factory pricing works for me. But, their system (that corporation has all the data available) should very well know there's going to be a lot of customers, both prior Corvette owners and newbies, that will want that car. The problem is truly "supply and demand", but it's my belief that GM stacked the deck for the dealers by limiting the model to 3000 cars. That's where I get pissed off...there's so few of them, the dealers can almost write their own ticket. I've bought a lot of new "hot" cars since my first one in 1983 (a Corvette), collectively way over a million dollars spent, and never paid even sticker price! I'd pay list on this C8 Z06, but never pay over that, just because some dealer got his hands on one or 45 of them. I don't buy into that greed factor that all of us are seeing with this new Z06, just can't.

jimmyb

SUPPLY
DEMAND

It's really elementary...I do love the people that say "Well, for $300K, I'd buy something better than a Z06". I'm curious what that would be? Because every OTHER cool high end sports car out there has an ADM on it also. At $300k, a Z06 is in Huracan MSRP territory...except that $300K Huracan has an ADM on it also. So, do tell....
But, back to reality:
Does ANYONE really believe that ANYONE is actually PAYING $300K for a Z06? Seriously?
Hell, they can ask a billion for it.

PS. I'm with Dave on these ADM threads. The people that start these painful, boring threads were NEVER going to buy a Z06...not after the MSRP was announced.
And for the one's that "claimed" to have a low number on a list and then claim they got blind sided by an ADM. Well, there's a central theme in every one of those tales...They (the buyer) gave a deposit but NEVER got ANYTHING in writing...This forum is littered with these stories.
"Here's my deposit, when the time comes 2 years from now to order, I'm just going to trust that your dealership will do the right thing"...

jimmyb

Interesting. I haven't seen your in-depth review of YOUR C8 Z06. "It's not that great"? What bothered you about in your living with it and driving it?

Red Mist Rulz

And if they did, the NADA and dealer would sue GM, and win. GM has not authority under any states laws to control dealer pricing. In fact, the exact opposite is true: State laws specifically prohibit GM from controlling selling prices.

As far as the price, asking isn't the same as getting.

Higgs Boson

What is so underrated is how the pandemic changed the mentality of dealers and customers alike. Customers decided they only live once and could die tomorrow and were also given many dollars. Suppliers/manufacturers/sellers at first had to get creative to survive, adapt and change, and stay on the right side of the supply and demand pricing equation, and also were given many dollars.

What was first perceived as a problem, slowly became seen as a viable strategy. Customers were willing to pay more and they could pay more. Suppliers didn't have to flood the market and incentivize sales anymore. A new car deal at MSRP became a great deal. If a car had limited production at all "how much over sticker" was the leading question, no longer "how big is the discount."

It is very interesting to me how only two years can rewire the brains, even after 100 years of transactions, of both the buyer and the seller. Since it takes two to tango, one can't blame the supplier, the seller, or the buyer alone. In other words, you can't hate the player, you gotta hate the game. The game has changed.

Of course the game can change again, depending on how the controlling variables change, but that will be determined by the hand of the market, we will almost not see it happening, except for occasionally being able to say, "looks like used car prices are lower this month." But that's just an effect, not a cause. Rates work to stifle demand, production works to suppliment supply, something will happen and it will not be a result of complaining about how things are. Now I forgot what we were talking about.

Red Mist Rulz

Pray tell, how does GM "succeed" when a dealer sells way over MSRP. GM gets the same revenue as they do for an MSRP sale. GM would happily build 10 times as many if they could, and book 10 times the revenue.

Red Mist Rulz

And if someone actually buys this, they're paying $300K for a car without a warranty!

jimmyb

^^^^
Manufacturers
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Retail
Price

I guess many here don't know the definition of "Suggested"