Deep Staging @ E Town
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From: Skillman NJ
According to above post by Kazman: Any combination of 2 prestage and 1 stage engages the autostart. So if someone is fully staged while you are still doing your burnout(this happens all the time) you will have 10 seconds to get to the line and get staged or go in deep. This could be tricky.
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Dave, unless they changed autostart, the 10 sec clock doesn't start until 3 bulbs are lit. Your challenge will be going from shallow to deep. If autostart is not overriden, it will see 4 bulbs as everyone is ready and will set off the tree in roughly 1 sec. So if your opponent stages before you, you'll have about 1 sec to go from shallow to deep.
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I want to deep stage, and if the track says I cant put it on my window, I will go right in and light BOTH set of bulbs... stay OFF the converter (let it idle) until I see car #2 light the TOP set of bulbs, then I'll get on the converter and bump in deep...
If I'm missing something please point it out...
If I'm missing something please point it out...
if I am deep-staged before my opponent lights his Pre-Stage bulb, AutoStart won't take-over (when 3 bulbs are lit.... my Stage-bulbs, and both sets of his lights ) until he has staged fully.
When my opponent lights his Pre-Stage bulbs (remember, I am already deep-staged at this time ), I quickly bring the RPM up-against the converter, then focus solely on my 3rd Amber, quite-often before he has fully staged:
I'd rather possibly run a few hundredths off my dial-in in ET due to the transmission heating-up while leaning on the converter and still-get a solid .025/better RT via deep-staging than NOT getting in-deep, and having a .07x RT or-worse, effectively 'giving' the round-away.....
Just my $.02 worth.
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Dave, unless they changed autostart, the 10 sec clock doesn't start until 3 bulbs are lit. Your challenge will be going from shallow to deep. If autostart is not overriden, it will see 4 bulbs as everyone is ready and will set off the tree in roughly 1 sec. So if your opponent stages before you, you'll have about 1 sec to go from shallow to deep.
Yes you are 100% correct. The tree time varies 1-1.9 seconds. As a deep stager I don't turn on the prestage light so I can control the autostart. My 10 second timer isn't going to start until I turn on my top bulb. By going in on 1 motion from no lights to fully deep the tree doesn't come down on me as I'm going in. Even if I get held in the burnout box and the other car fully stages I'm still ok and not "rushed" to stage in fear on the timeout or tree falling.
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According to above post by Kazman: Any combination of 2 prestage and 1 stage engages the autostart. So if someone is fully staged while you are still doing your burnout(this happens all the time) you will have 10 seconds to get to the line and get staged or go in deep. This could be tricky.
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Dave if the other car is fully staged and you are in the burnout box your have as much time that is reasonable. The 10 second autostart doesn't start ticking until you turn on your prestage light. Once your top is on you have 10 seconds to turn on the staged light, then after 4 bulbs are on the tree comes down in 1 - 1.9 seconds.
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As long as you know how the system works it shouldn't pose a problem to either deep or shallow stagers. I deep staged all last season with the 10 second autostart and had no problems. I do agree it will impact deep stagers (and shallow) who take their time.
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1) So as soon as one guy is fully staged,[ both bulbs] the other guy has a reasonable amount of time get his car up there and the 10 second rule doesn't begin until the 2nd car lights the first bulb.
If that is correct that sounds fair to me.
For the deep stager, you either have to get there first or learn how to bump in from pre stage right to deep stage or I can see it being difficult.
Now try deep staging with a stick/pro tree and launching at 6500rpms. lol
If that is correct that sounds fair to me.
For the deep stager, you either have to get there first or learn how to bump in from pre stage right to deep stage or I can see it being difficult.
Now try deep staging with a stick/pro tree and launching at 6500rpms. lol
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Once your top is on you have 10 seconds to turn on the staged light, then after 4 bulbs are on the tree comes down in 1 - 1.9 seconds.
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The entire point of it being in the rule book is so no racer can play staging games with their opponent...why any series would not follow this rule escapes me...I'm not talking about some newbie who does not know any better lighting both bulbs one time...they should be told of the rule and it won't happen again...
I raced in three different CC's down here over the years and the courtesy staging rule was always followed...why?...because it is in the NHRA rule book, that's why...I don't mean to rant here but I am a bit sensitive to racers who try to quick tree anyone...I don't put up with it and no one else should either...
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Courtesy staging is an NHRA rule...in the rule book...how am I supposed to know which NHRA tracks follow the rule book and which ones don't?...if the CC up there does not courtesy stage, I have no earthly idea why...
The entire point of it being in the rule book is so no racer can play staging games with their opponent...why any series would not follow this rule escapes me...I'm not talking about some newbie who does not know any better lighting both bulbs one time...they should be told of the rule and it won't happen again...
I raced in three different CC's down here over the years and the courtesy staging rule was always followed...why?...because it is in the NHRA rule book, that's why...I don't mean to rant here but I am a bit sensitive to racers who try to quick tree anyone...I don't put up with it and no one else should either...
The entire point of it being in the rule book is so no racer can play staging games with their opponent...why any series would not follow this rule escapes me...I'm not talking about some newbie who does not know any better lighting both bulbs one time...they should be told of the rule and it won't happen again...
I raced in three different CC's down here over the years and the courtesy staging rule was always followed...why?...because it is in the NHRA rule book, that's why...I don't mean to rant here but I am a bit sensitive to racers who try to quick tree anyone...I don't put up with it and no one else should either...
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Fuzz, we do have a lot of newbies in the CC that double bulb and even have some experienced racers that do the same. However, in general, i dont think we have an issue with staging games.
The Sunday crowd is a different story. There are a lot of guys that go deep on Sunday and even if they stage within the 10 second limt, some felt they were taking advantage of the tree being held for them. I've been on the other side of a 10 second stage a few times and it seems like forever, but that's not really a deep staging issue and within the rules. However, I guess the track operators just got tired of all the complaining.
The Sunday crowd is a different story. There are a lot of guys that go deep on Sunday and even if they stage within the 10 second limt, some felt they were taking advantage of the tree being held for them. I've been on the other side of a 10 second stage a few times and it seems like forever, but that's not really a deep staging issue and within the rules. However, I guess the track operators just got tired of all the complaining.