One really cannot compare the tracks up north with our tracks down here...y'all up north have been bent over real good for years...I think what Olivier is trying to say is that tracks with heavy restrictions are typically in "blue" states whereas in "red" states we are not having any of that crapola...we feel like it is a race track for goodness sakes, not main street...you can agree or disagree but that is the way it is...

Are the lack of vehicle and emission inspections a good or bad thing?...I don't know but I do know it makes our lives a lot easier down here...is the lack of track restrictions good or bad?...again, I don't know but it sure does make it easier to race...y'all up north have been ebat on with rules, regulations and restrictions for so long you think it is normal...it isn't...the majority of the tracks around the country do not make life difficult for the racers like they do up there...

Come down here and race for a while and you will see what a screwin' you are getting up there...down here if you want to run mufflers, feel free...the key is it is your choice...no such thing as noise restrictions...race tracks are supposed to be loud...this ain't rocket science...

Some homeowners tried to stop the new Z-Max track in Concord (Charlotte) based on noise and traffic...Bruton Smith squashed them like bugs and built the finest drag racing facility in the world...I doubt that would have happened in a blue state which is my point...I feel bad for you folks up north...drag racing is not a sailing regatta or a polo match...it is a loud, raucus, smelly affair...in other words, exactly what it is supposed to be...not some mild mannered deal with meters checking decibels, tech checking mufflers, some official with a stopwatch ready to shut everything down at 11 PM on a saturday night and some storm trooper watching everything for mistakes...not to mention they will not let y'all back up into the water box, so every street tire car drags a chitload of water up to the starting line...sheesh, what a way to race...

With all that going on you then have the residents in the area screaming bloody murder about noise and stink and traffic...good luck to y'all is all I can say...drag racing is NOT supposed to be that way and is a lot more fun when it isn't...

 

I think that some tracks that don't have a noise ordinance that would restrict the track noise only added the muffler requirement for events to please the waxers that might only race for one season or a few races and then lose interest. Who the F would chose a hobby like Drag Racing in have issues with noise?? It's like you become a pilot and don't like to fly
It's the REAL racers that earn the track money and not the waxer, wannabe racers. It seems like some tracks don't care.. They exclude people (with their rules) who are supporting the sport for many years just to please the waxer crowd..

 

Ollie, look at tyhe names in your poll. RACERS While we are all entitled to our opinion, you can NOW see how wonderful living in a REAL life DEMOCRACY is. We all get to race Some classes require mufflers at some tracks, some classes don't.

 

Well, it's also democracy if I choose not to support a track that has such rules for certain events. The way I wouldn't support a liberal polititian, I wouldn't support a track with liberal rules. If they are ok to lose real racers for waxers, it's their choice

 

Yes it certainly is.
Please let us racers know what real racer is not coming
I find it interesting the "NAMES" you give people that don't agree with you.

 

 

Let me know when they try to shut down Lowes.

 

I think you mean the city council. He started without a permit and when they threatened him he said he would close the whole place and move it elsewhere.

The residents know where the money comes from.

 

You have already listed them. No mufflers, no interiors.

 

So a car without a muffler or interior qualifies an owner as a REAL RACER? Well then now I'm really curious to know what REAL RACER is eliminated from a Challenge Race.
We have been doing this 5 years now and can't find a single regular participant this adjustment affects. I am not talking someone that comes out once a season or two.

 

Ollie, who's English dictionary have you been reading? I think you need to look up what the word 'liberal' means. You are using it in the exact opposite. Liberal rules would mean very little or no rules. You've been drinking too much from the Conservative cool-ade and watching too much Fox News. And 'communist liberal...' , well, that's called an oxymoron. Look that one up too.

But back to your point. This is what a democracy is about. Freedom of choice both for the organizer and the participant. I know you just want to go out there and have some fun and don't want to have to spend money/time to get your car in a condition to fit w/in the rules but your car is now a RACE car and you're complaining about an event setup to welcome STREET car guys. Heck, look at your arguments. You keep talking about what RACERS do and insulting the 'waxers'. Well, to use your words, this event is trying to welcome more 'waxers' than 'racers'. Kinda like an import racer jumping into a domestic racing scene complaining about them not letting him in when there's a domestic racing class the next day. There's plenty of events at the track setup specifically for 'racers'. Let the street guys (waxers) have their event too.

Take a and either go and watch and have a good time or find some cheap mufflers or stay home. I can actually see you getting red right now. Chill dude.

 

You speak from experience. One track and how many cars, 25? You asked how many real racers your rules affected. I replied all of them without mufflers or interiors.

I didn't say that made everyone without mufflers and interiors real racers. Get it?

 

So your telling me NONE. As I thought.

 

Who is legitimately going to have a shot at getting Englishtown shut down? There are a bunch of people who complain about noise, and restrictions have been in place for ~25 years, but there's been no real obvious threat for the track being shut down. Heck, look at Wall Township Speedway (NJ) as far as oval racing. The complaints haven't affected whether the track is allowed to run or not. They didn't run much last year because of owners wanting out, but it looks like they're back for 2009. A BIG difference between LMS & E-Town is the amount of money they bring in. No matter what, LMS is gonna have the upper hand, but it's a workable analogy.

I don't want to play with semantics, and maybe I didn't clarify my thoughts well enough, but my point was that I heard the same complaints at Englishtown that I would later hear with Lowe's Motor Speedway (especially from people who just moved to those developments that are in closest proximity to the drag strip).

Who I primarily work for in North Carolina is kind of a secret because the major sponsorships that surround this team don't want some employee of theirs posting controversial opinions on a heavily viewed forum, but it's no different about even their engine dyno. People complain and there are now strict regulations about where and what times they can even run one of them.

GrandSport... I agree with a LOT of what you're saying. I understand what you're getting at a lot better following your reply to me. The restrictions in general might be heavier up north compared to the south, with some areas being worse than the norm. People who move next to an airport have no right whatsoever to expect anything done about it. You'd think they'd peruse the area before buying a house, but maybe that's just common sense.

 

It's a fact that Drag Racing is a loud sport and who doesn't like it should look for a new hobby IMHO..

 

I've been racing every race of the Bradenton Corvette Challenge (when I had a running car) and made it so a couple Moroso Challenges. Also went to the Lakeland Challenge and went to the National Corvette Challenge every year that my car was running.. Also raced most years at the Bowling Green Corvette Races during the Cruise In.. Now, that the PBIR Challenge is the only Corvette race in the state, I would come down to race.. Of course I did race the Bradenton Challenge before as it was closer than Moroso but that Challenge is gone now .. I can't recall the last time that you came to one of the Bradenton Challenges. I built my car for Corvette races and even still run the stock suspension and a full
interior except for the passenger seat (as it was the only location available for the nitrous bottle..

A real racer is also someone that can do 90+% of the work on their own car..

 

This is the thread that never ends...

 

 

 

I was told you wouldn't get it.