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Muffler Poll
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Ollie, who's English dictionary have you been reading? I think you need to look up what the word 'liberal' means. You are using it in the exact opposite. Liberal rules would mean very little or no rules. You've been drinking too much from the Conservative cool-ade and watching too much Fox News. And 'communist liberal...' , well, that's called an oxymoron. Look that one up too.
But back to your point. This is what a democracy is about. Freedom of choice both for the organizer and the participant. I know you just want to go out there and have some fun and don't want to have to spend money/time to get your car in a condition to fit w/in the rules but your car is now a RACE car and you're complaining about an event setup to welcome STREET car guys. Heck, look at your arguments. You keep talking about what RACERS do and insulting the 'waxers'. Well, to use your words, this event is trying to welcome more 'waxers' than 'racers'. Kinda like an import racer jumping into a domestic racing scene complaining about them not letting him in when there's a domestic racing class the next day. There's plenty of events at the track setup specifically for 'racers'. Let the street guys (waxers) have their event too.
Take a
and either go and watch and have a good time or find some cheap mufflers or stay home. I can actually see you getting red right now. Chill dude.
But back to your point. This is what a democracy is about. Freedom of choice both for the organizer and the participant. I know you just want to go out there and have some fun and don't want to have to spend money/time to get your car in a condition to fit w/in the rules but your car is now a RACE car and you're complaining about an event setup to welcome STREET car guys. Heck, look at your arguments. You keep talking about what RACERS do and insulting the 'waxers'. Well, to use your words, this event is trying to welcome more 'waxers' than 'racers'. Kinda like an import racer jumping into a domestic racing scene complaining about them not letting him in when there's a domestic racing class the next day. There's plenty of events at the track setup specifically for 'racers'. Let the street guys (waxers) have their event too.
Take a
and either go and watch and have a good time or find some cheap mufflers or stay home. I can actually see you getting red right now. Chill dude.
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OK, fine, but how can you ever try and make a class for 'steet' guys? It's impossible to do w/out excluding somebody. If you throw the rules out then a lot of these street guys will be discouraged from competing because they won't feel it's a very level playing field. 9:1 compression is hard to compete with 14:1 compression on race gas and half the weight, etc. Look at most race cars. You'll find a good mix of some with interiors and some w/out but how many race cars have mufflers? Not too many. That's why you see a lot of these 'special' events tag on a muffler rule to try and weed out a lot of the dedicated race cars and try to level the playing field a little. Sure, there's still going to be some DARN fast street cars but what else are you going to do???
But hey, rules are rules. You tried to petition a change of rules, they aren't taking it, so move on.
There very well may be other events in the future you might want to participate in that have a similar rule so having a muffler insert for those pipes may not be a bad investment anyways. And if it slows you down a little....so be it. You have your 'real racing' still. Have fun at these 'street crowd' racing events.
But hey, rules are rules. You tried to petition a change of rules, they aren't taking it, so move on.
There very well may be other events in the future you might want to participate in that have a similar rule so having a muffler insert for those pipes may not be a bad investment anyways. And if it slows you down a little....so be it. You have your 'real racing' still. Have fun at these 'street crowd' racing events.
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
OK, fine, but how can you ever try and make a class for 'steet' guys? It's impossible to do w/out excluding somebody. If you throw the rules out then a lot of these street guys will be discouraged from competing because they won't feel it's a very level playing field. 9:1 compression is hard to compete with 14:1 compression on race gas and half the weight, etc. Look at most race cars. You'll find a good mix of some with interiors and some w/out but how many race cars have mufflers? Not too many. That's why you see a lot of these 'special' events tag on a muffler rule to try and weed out a lot of the dedicated race cars and try to level the playing field a little. Sure, there's still going to be some DARN fast street cars but what else are you going to do???
But hey, rules are rules. You tried to petition a change of rules, they aren't taking it, so move on.
There very well may be other events in the future you might want to participate in that have a similar rule so having a muffler insert for those pipes may not be a bad investment anyways. And if it slows you down a little....so be it. You have your 'real racing' still. Have fun at these 'street crowd' racing events.
But hey, rules are rules. You tried to petition a change of rules, they aren't taking it, so move on.
There very well may be other events in the future you might want to participate in that have a similar rule so having a muffler insert for those pipes may not be a bad investment anyways. And if it slows you down a little....so be it. You have your 'real racing' still. Have fun at these 'street crowd' racing events.
Actually, racing a fast car with high stall is much harder to footbrake than a stock C5 or C6.. I was winning more events with my late model cars than with my C3.. It's hard to get the launch RPM to 4000 RPM when C4 and C5 drivers only need to get it to 1200 or even are able to launch off idle.. There's definetely no advantage having the more radical car (with no electronics).. It's as a matter of fact a disadvantage.. That's why most fast cars (including mine) usually launch off a delay box and the transbrake.. Footbraking the car is very difficult as the light starts dropping before I can get the RPM where I need them.
The problem is not just mufflers.. It's the other equipment that I'll need to create enough crankcase vacuum.. A vacuum pump setup is very expensive and at 14.2:1 compression with a 250 shot of nitrous, I do have a lot of cylinder and crankcase pressure.. Any muffler on the car would also require a complete re-tuning of the car..
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I've been racing every race of the Bradenton Corvette Challenge (when I had a running car) and made it so a couple Moroso Challenges. Also went to the Lakeland Challenge and went to the National Corvette Challenge every year that my car was running.. Also raced most years at the Bowling Green Corvette Races during the Cruise In.. Now, that the PBIR Challenge is the only Corvette race in the state, I would come down to race.. Of course I did race the Bradenton Challenge before as it was closer than Moroso but that Challenge is gone now 
.. I can't recall the last time that you came to one of the Bradenton Challenges. I built my car for Corvette races and even still run the stock suspension and a full
interior except for the passenger seat (as it was the only location available for the nitrous bottle..
A real racer is also someone that can do 90+% of the work on their own car..
.. I can't recall the last time that you came to one of the Bradenton Challenges. I built my car for Corvette races and even still run the stock suspension and a full interior except for the passenger seat (as it was the only location available for the nitrous bottle..
A real racer is also someone that can do 90+% of the work on their own car..
What do I have to do with Bradenton?
I heard a rumor about seats....
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Nice to see you back Ollie !!
I have missed your posts.
I am a fan of mufflers, at least on my car (555 with 500+ NOS). Open exhaust hurts my ears, but to each his own.
I hear your argument RE: buying a house next to a race track and then complaining about noise.......that is the issue at my local track. Welcome to Kalifornicated.
I have missed your posts.
I am a fan of mufflers, at least on my car (555 with 500+ NOS). Open exhaust hurts my ears, but to each his own.
I hear your argument RE: buying a house next to a race track and then complaining about noise.......that is the issue at my local track. Welcome to Kalifornicated.
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Nice to see you back Ollie !!
I have missed your posts.
I am a fan of mufflers, at least on my car (555 with 500+ NOS). Open exhaust hurts my ears, but to each his own.
I hear your argument RE: buying a house next to a race track and then complaining about noise.......that is the issue at my local track. Welcome to Kalifornicated.
I have missed your posts.
I am a fan of mufflers, at least on my car (555 with 500+ NOS). Open exhaust hurts my ears, but to each his own.
I hear your argument RE: buying a house next to a race track and then complaining about noise.......that is the issue at my local track. Welcome to Kalifornicated.
People who buy a house near a noise source and then complain make me sick.. What makes me even more sick is lawmakers who think that the Liberties of those people are violated but the liberties of people who have raced there long before those houses were built are worth ****...
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
For example, Terrorists trying to kill our soldiers should have all the rights possible but gun owners in some liberal states can't even practice their constitutional RIGHT to bear arms which shall not be infringed.. It's severely infringed in many states.....
People who buy properties near a EXISTING or PLANNED noise source complain afterwards that their liberties are reduced due to the noise.. Now LIBERAL governments think that the rights of those getting the cheap land are worth more than those who have raced there for a long time.. It's the selective distribuiton of Liberties by LIBERAL polititians (aka Democrats) that makes me sick..
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Well, I was talking about LIBERAL polititians.. They take the liberties of scumbags over the liberties of goood citizens...
For example, Terrorists trying to kill our soldiers should have all the rights possible but gun owners in some liberal states can't even practice their constitutional RIGHT to bear arms which shall not be infringed.. It's severely infringed in many states.....
People who buy properties near a EXISTING or PLANNED noise source complain afterwards that their liberties are reduced due to the noise.. Now LIBERAL governments think that the rights of those getting the cheap land are worth more than those who have raced there for a long time.. It's the selective distribuiton of Liberties by LIBERAL polititians (aka Democrats) that makes me sick..
For example, Terrorists trying to kill our soldiers should have all the rights possible but gun owners in some liberal states can't even practice their constitutional RIGHT to bear arms which shall not be infringed.. It's severely infringed in many states.....
People who buy properties near a EXISTING or PLANNED noise source complain afterwards that their liberties are reduced due to the noise.. Now LIBERAL governments think that the rights of those getting the cheap land are worth more than those who have raced there for a long time.. It's the selective distribuiton of Liberties by LIBERAL polititians (aka Democrats) that makes me sick..
You really don't get it, do you.
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Take lessons from a place like Englishtown. The cheap price only goes so far after awhile, at which point people try like hell to get rid of the track. Sad really, but its the way it is. Doesn't matter if the track had been there for 40 years, and then they built around it. Its the way it happens, residents get sick of the noise and want it gone. 
Still waiting for your reply.
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I'm sure that you have a vacuum pump on your car, so you don't need to suck out the pressure through the exhaust.. If I had a sponsor and money for that mod, I'd do it and add a muffler.. However, right now, I'm fixing up a 2nd home and don't have that kind of spare change laying around to spend on my race car.. Just spent $2k+ on new garage doors and openers today..
People who buy a house near a noise source and then complain make me sick.. What makes me even more sick is lawmakers who think that the Liberties of those people are violated but the liberties of people who have raced there long before those houses were built are worth ****...
People who buy a house near a noise source and then complain make me sick.. What makes me even more sick is lawmakers who think that the Liberties of those people are violated but the liberties of people who have raced there long before those houses were built are worth ****...
If you get forced into a muffler, run big bullets 3.5" Or bigger, and a header evac system...you probably have one on the car already. I ran this set up with my 454 before I had a vacuum pump and sprayed up to 400 hp. You could run 2 breathers in each valve cover and accomplish the same thing. As long as you are not blowing the dipstick out of the oil pan (which I did) you are ok. You will not have to do much, if any, retuning. The bullets only knock the DBs down a bit, but make the car leagal at most tracks that require an exhaust.
I am running a full lenght 4 in. exhaust on the 63 this time with the 555. A lot of tracks in Kalifornicated require it and like I said I like the noise reduction and the 4 in. exhaust looks pretty cool.
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2. I'm not about to further waste my time when clearly, all the answers have been put before me.
So chalk one up for you.
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Ollie,
If you get forced into a muffler, run big bullets 3.5" Or bigger, and a header evac system...you probably have one on the car already. I ran this set up with my 454 before I had a vacuum pump and sprayed up to 400 hp. You could run 2 breathers in each valve cover and accomplish the same thing. As long as you are not blowing the dipstick out of the oil pan (which I did) you are ok. You will not have to do much, if any, retuning. The bullets only knock the DBs down a bit, but make the car leagal at most tracks that require an exhaust.
I am running a full lenght 4 in. exhaust on the 63 this time with the 555. A lot of tracks in Kalifornicated require it and like I said I like the noise reduction and the 4 in. exhaust looks pretty cool.
If you get forced into a muffler, run big bullets 3.5" Or bigger, and a header evac system...you probably have one on the car already. I ran this set up with my 454 before I had a vacuum pump and sprayed up to 400 hp. You could run 2 breathers in each valve cover and accomplish the same thing. As long as you are not blowing the dipstick out of the oil pan (which I did) you are ok. You will not have to do much, if any, retuning. The bullets only knock the DBs down a bit, but make the car leagal at most tracks that require an exhaust.
I am running a full lenght 4 in. exhaust on the 63 this time with the 555. A lot of tracks in Kalifornicated require it and like I said I like the noise reduction and the 4 in. exhaust looks pretty cool.
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St. Jude Donor '03, '06, '17
Another issue is that there are no mufflers available for my car that aren't restrictive.. Welding on some 4 inch glasspacks on my collectors would look fugly.. I love the looks of my chrome sidepipes and don't want to lose that look..
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I run sidepipes and no good mufflers are available for those.. I don't want to weld anything to my collectors as it's too ugly.. I want the look of the sidepipes. I do run a evacuation system and according to the manufactorer, it should not be used with ANY mufflers. It says: OPEN EXHAUST REQUIRED.. I don't have the funds right now for a $1500 new exhaust system...
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Well, they would look ugly welded to my collectors and once I weld something on, I couldn't even go back to the regular pipes.. Nobody makes a slip on bullet muffler for my exhaust setup.