The reason I'm asking is because it's not that much more than an ARP stud kit for the mains and comes w/ that hardware as well. My questions are:
Will it interfere with a stroker crank (3.8 stroke) w/ 6" I lightweight beams w/ bolts?
Will it cause any problems with a Canton road race pan?
Is it overkill on an LT1 4 bolt block that will probably make not over 450 HP and maybe 500 lbs. ft. of torque?
All thoughts and advice and experience welcomed. I don't know when I'll regain the ability to reply to threads but I'll be around, thanks.

 

Overkill at that power level. Not to say overkill ain't a bad thing though.

 

Overkill at the least. The 4 bolt block was more than necessary. BUT! "If some's good, more's better, and too much is just enough."

RACE ON!!!

 

Yeah, I was about 99% sure it was overkill but for only about $50 more than the ARP main stud kit, I'll do it if I'm sure it doesn't cause any clearance problems or anything.

 

Blahaha, Hahaha, Hohoho!
Like a stud is any stronger than a bolt! Blahaha, Hahaha, Hohoho!

Ahhaha! Ahha! ha. ah ha.

For the same size & material using the same torque a bolt is just as strong as a stud.
Studs are used for speed/ease of eng teardown and parts replacement. And are a big PIA to install.

Yea, go ahead and spend ur money on studs. Then spend even more $$$ on a girdle. Thx, i needed that laugh.

cardo0

 

God, you're an idiot and apparently never tire of showing that fact off. Your ignorance is astounding and exceeded only by your obnoxiousness. Please stay the hell out of my threads, cretin.

 

Wow, just.......wow! You need some time on the beach pal

Good luck to you Kid, I hope you shake this guy

 

Awwwh, someones feeling got hurt. Guess truth really does hurt. But using studs and girdles on a 450hp eng tells me who really needs time on the beach.
BTW girdles are also for fat rich ladies and i can understand why u could use one. Well 2 actually - an extra one for ur cheering section leader that wouldn't know the difference between a stud or bolt installation either. Heck he probly even believes u own this forum too.
Hey call a moderator and we can talk 'bout ur derogitory name calling too. Just cause i don't own a stroker don't mean i'm not good enough to post - and laugh a little.

Great humor here, keep it goin'.
cardo0

 

The only humor here is provided by the asinine spectacle that you seem to revel in making of yourself. And I'm not name calling, I'm using truthfully descriptive terminology. How truly pathetic your life must be that you insist on being disruptive where you're not wanted. You have the mentality of a spoiled, poorly raised child.

Although I've not mentioned you by name, I've been in touch with the administration re/ this problem. If I'm due any lumps I'll gladly take them if it will make you go away. Harrassment is no less an offense than name calling, I'm sure. Now go crawl back in your hole.

 

And in ur logic somehow labeling, accusation are not harrassement? Ur expectation to degrade others and then they should go away without defending themselves is pretty childish in itself. Well now u told on me and surprise, no has contacted me.
Again this is not ur forum and the administrators are who set the rules. Ur posting ideas that are hilarious in reason. Post something to substanciate ur reason for studs rather than bolts other than hearsay or don't reply at all - instead of having a temper tantrum.

No i don't resort to name calling, labeling and accusations as i enjoy this forum too much. And have good faith in our moderators as they have always been prompt and fair.

cardo0

 

Once again you're running your mouth w/o reading the post. I did not "tell on you" or mention this post. I only made some inquiries about the situation in general. Now genius, let me ask you once again to stay out of my thread. It's obvious to anyone who's familiar with the subject that are are more advantages to studs than either just strength over stock bolts or ease of assembly. And I don't need the sarcastic advice of someone who thought he could index his plugs by cutting additional threads on them. Have you actually ever looked at a spark plug seat? I don't by far know everything, but I sure as hell know more than you.

 

Kid, my nephew is making over 550hp with his 4 bolt LT1 and spins it to 7000 with a 3.875 stroke. No problems thus far. Studs are a good idea if you have to buy fasteners anyway. They may not be stronger, but they take torque better and are generally considered better than bolts. A girdle is way overkill in your case. And even if it were free, it'll be a PITA and i highly doubt it will fit in the Canton pan.

 

So now u want to dig into my thread 'bout spark plugs.
Go ahead, u won't hear me squeeling like pig even if i was wrong or right.
No, i don't have the time to reflect on any of ur threads like "Qunech" and imbarasse u more. :o
And u again answer the challenge to using studs with hearsay - no references.
Why don't you just go away. Do u even work for a living? Have any kind of job? Or still live at home bleeding mon & dad for everything they earn so u can go boasting stroker motors and corvettes on the internet? Ur still on the t*t is my guess.

cardo0

 

I didn't have to "dig into it" because I read it when it was current. And I would have posted in it had not everything I could have added had already been stated. And I would have answered your question respectfully. There is no shame in not knowing something, we're all ignorant, just on different subjects. However, running off at the mouth when you really know nothing of the subject and proving it with every succeeding comment, is ignorance of a different type. You have a definite lack somewhere and I won't blame your parents because I don't know them. Even though you chose to bring mine into your continuing, childish tirade. BTW, I buried my mother a few weeks ago so I hope you're proud of yourself.
Now would you like to actually learn something? Studs have some real advantages in some high stress applications. They retain their clamping force better for a given torque and help prevent component movement in certain applications where this can be critical. Do I need them? I don't care. I'm upgrading that hardware anyway and it sure won't hurt anything. Would I use the girdle if it's feasible with my pan? For a few more bucks, yeah. Even if it's not needed to keep my block from disintegrating, it would limit distortion, better maintaining tolerances and optimizing cylinder sealing, just like an upgraded performance engine block would do. Is this a little or a lot important for what I might be doing with my car? Well one thing's for sure, it sure as hell doesn't matter to you. Now, since you probably don't like me and I think that your first name is very apropo, why don't you avoid my threads and I can promise you that I'll avoid yours and everyone will be happy. Otherwise, I can only consider it harassment and will deal with it accordingly.

 

If ur posting at 1:40 AM ur time i doubt u have a job to go to tommarrow. But i do and don't have time to continue responding to ur hypocrasy and hearsay. My sleep is too valuable to waste on a obstinent Kid. Go ahead and have the last word "tonight".
Keep labeling, accusing, name calling or threatning me and i'll be back.

cardo0

 

CardoO - I don't know what's up on the forum with you and the other guy.

Your right the shaft strength of a bolt and a stud of equal tensile strength and size would be the same when it's never been used.

Studs are easy to install. You install them without any TQ or preload. So your not distorting or pulling the metal like when your torquing down a bolt. It's a superior even pull the length of the threads. Very benificial when used in soft metal like aluminum or cast iron. You torque down a bolt into aluminum and you can strip the threads out really easy. I use header studs and never worry about stripping the head threads.

The other thing have you ever twisted the head off a bolt? Each time you torque on and off a bolt it looses strength because of micro fractures in the metal due to twisting forces. That's why you measure bolt stretch..... after torque cycles.

 

Yes, bolt reuse is limited due to fatigue and replacing bolts will eventually ruin block threads. But for most of us bolt service life is adequate.

Ok, i did some review with the books i had availible and D. Vizard (of course) along with Ed Staffle both state that studs are no advantage for a performance street mtr and have to be selected and installed carefully to function correctly (dia size, thread size, lock compound and lubricant). Jay Storrer puts a hp limit at 600hp for bolts or NOx or turbo/supercharger use. Yes Smokey Y. is convinced studs are an improvement and says they (studs) are the way to go for a race application and can produce better clamping force though they need to be sized precisely.

gkull, i laughed at his comments and got a nasty reply of insults. He somehow thinks his posts on this public forum are his property and allowed to defend them with threats.
Trying to let it go but have doubts.

cardo0

 

Addressing one of your questions:

I don't see how you can fit a girdle inside a canton rr pan without some mods to the built-in windage tray. There just isn't a whole lot of room (at least on mine). SBC's are also known for very good bottom end capability until you get to a serious amount of power. The money and time spent could probably help more somewhere else.


Good luck

 

Stud girdles have been being used by the ford crowd in the hot rodded 4.6 V-8. Our older style chevy blocks really only need: studs, studs and billet main caps, then for all out spayed billet main caps.

 

One cool thing about studs is that you can get standoffs for a windage tray.

BTW, I have an Olds 455 I will be building & I'd like (I wish) to get a girdle due to the 2-bolt caps. I think labor alone is around $500. Don't ask what it costs...not for the meek. This one is over $3000



I'll probably go with a simpler (& cheaper) Halo girdle below...

$400 out the door with no machining needed & plenty strong. It just ties all the caps together, nothing touches the block.