Boost_TT

True, but you need to remember, AWD is easier to control and more forgiving than RWD cars. So the nod would go to the AWD GT-R.

bdking57

AWD cars are not that great for autox... providing, Iv ridden inside the fastest AWD autox car and national champion.. and autox my old evo VIII.. the problem with awd is it gets really akward and slow during hairpins. Its great on the street and all, but drive train loss is also awful on the highway... not to mention extremely expensive to track and repair, noisy as hell, kills mpg etc. As a finance/ marketing guy.. this car seems foolish to me. It would have been better priced at 45K where people that want it can actually buy it and tune it... instead were gonna be subject to a bunch of Z fanboys, who cannot even afford the car running around hyping it to all hell. I gladly take my 80K, buy a new evo X or new STI and 08 C6 Z51 and have the best of both worlds. This is such a niche car for the people that can buy it on a whim its not even funny.

opua

To me, this car has only one downside: it is one of the ugliest car I have ever seen. It's like a Mustang that has been hammered down in the front. What were the designers thinking of?

KILR-RYD

Its all about personal preference, i feel its beautiful, not a typical supercar look(vette style), keeping it real to its boxy roots, but still giving it one of the lowest Cds in the segment(.27)

ilkhan

Inside Line's first look video says 3836lb for the japanese spec model. A Z06 is in the same price range with more power and 6 HUNDRED pounds less weight. The AWD gives the GTR a very nice hole shot, but on any sort of roll on I would expect it to match the GT500, run right alongside the C6 coupe.

Id like to see what nissan could do with that engine/transmission combo on a CF bodied G37 with some meat in each corner. (Id say 350Z but [the GTR] has backseats like the porsche.)

Essentially its the same formula as the STI, Evo, and the cerrara turbo. Stick a good amount of power in the engine, turbocharge it for top end, and add traction with AWD. its a nice combo for 0-60, 1/4 miles, and it adds an undefinable amount to handling, but its heavy and that dulls the response and performance everywhere.

A coupe with cam/headers/tune and good rubber should beat the GTR up to top speed any day of the week for significantly less money. Hell, spend $5k on 4LT or a DSV interior and youd have a better car for anything.

Reading more about the thing leads me to believe that the 7:3x runs were done on cut slicks, race only tires. Production cars will be mid 7:4x+ with pro drivers. Its impressive, but overpriced. The fanboys wont be able to afford the price. The people who can will be put off by the nissan badge (as the vettes do) and by the lower than porsche interior. Oh, and just the fugliness factor in general.

eddiehaskell

If you compare list weight vs list weight, it's actually closer to 700lbs (674 lbs).

I wonder if it the US version will be heavier like some other JDM imports?

nuke61

Bingo... from PistonHeads:
HONED AT THE 'RING

GTR chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno told PistonHeads that his baby had covered over 3000 miles at the Nordschleife and avoided other circuits as they were deemed 'too easy'.

Nissan's original target was to beat the 911 Turbo at the 'ring but they ended up worrying the Porsche Carrera GT.

They didn't beat the GT's 7min 32sec lap time, but got a 7.38 in semi-wet conditions.

'We used cut slick tyres' said Mizuno.

'I was not interested in full slick times as this bears no resemblance to a road tyre. 1.2G of force was being pulled in wet and over 2 in dry'.

They weren't interested in running full slicks? Well, that's mighty sporting of them to just run cut slicks and then let the world believe that a production GTR ran that time.

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing...?f=23&t=455380

TxChristopher

Your lack of experience with turbo cars shows. Power under the curve is what matters, you can out power me at peak but if I have more power available on average through the swing of my tach than you do then I will own you. You are also leaving out gearing. Odds are the car is steeply geared, and with AWD it will be able to take advantage of that gearing. Do the math, with proper gearing a 480 horse car can put considerably more torque to the ground than a 500 horse car can, and it if it can then hook that power up and make forward motion (traction) then its bye bye baby!

TxChristopher

Whenever you are ready to lose some money just let me know. I am willing to take all bets that I have a turbo intercooled vehicle that can gain 150 horses just from TUNING. Even better, I am talking RWHP. In fact I can gain over 200 horses at the rear wheels tuning alone. All this from $750 software, no internal mods at all and the engine will last for years and years. Get your money together, any amount you feel brave enough to lose, and I will meet you at a dyno and prove it.

I love the Corvette, its a great car, but lets not mouth off about the things we don't really know about........

TxChristopher

Drivetrain loss????? The new GT-R has the ability to cut power all the way down to 2% up front. Not only that, it can transfer power to any wheel, even laterally using yaw sensors. Futher, they engineered the drivetrain with one degree of angle between the engine and the rear mounted transaxle, and under power that turns into zero degrees for a direct transmission of power, meaning the drivetrain losses will be much less. Who has more power, a car that has 505 horse net but a 15% drivetrain loss, or a car with 480 horses and a 10% drivetrain loss? Then after that which car has more power under the curve? Hmmmm GT-R has 434 pounds of torque from 3200 to 5200 rpm, hows the LS7 cranking down low?