What do you think about electric cars being faster?
07-10-2021, 02:18 PM
#81
I think the "C8 2.8 second 0-60 mph" claim by GM, is now dead in the water.
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Last edited by Skid Row Joe; 07-10-2021 at 02:19 PM.
07-10-2021, 02:21 PM
#82
there isn't a road course that EV has faster lap time vs the top tier super cars.
the physics never lies, extra 1500lb doesn't equal to performance, can't turn, can't stop, runs out of charge before the end of the race, or takes forever to charge the battery....etc lol when Telsa starts winning 12 hours of Sebring or 24 hours of Le mans or Daytona then you can call them fast. right now any car that is in these races will beat a telsa model S plaid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nLLGxRJwB0
the physics never lies, extra 1500lb doesn't equal to performance, can't turn, can't stop, runs out of charge before the end of the race, or takes forever to charge the battery....etc lol when Telsa starts winning 12 hours of Sebring or 24 hours of Le mans or Daytona then you can call them fast. right now any car that is in these races will beat a telsa model S plaid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nLLGxRJwB0
07-10-2021, 04:24 PM
#83
07-10-2021, 04:27 PM
#84
07-11-2021, 12:20 AM
#85
Like anything Tesla claims, usually comes with an asterisk https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp
07-11-2021, 12:23 AM
#86
07-11-2021, 02:38 AM
#87
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
Last edited by aqn; 07-11-2021 at 02:44 AM.
07-11-2021, 06:50 PM
#88
Race Director
But Musk is a God to some of the crazy morons out there and they will worship him as such.
07-11-2021, 07:34 PM
#89
Le Mans Master
aqn : It takes me 15 seconds to charge my EV: the total time it takes to pop the charge hatch and plug in. Unlike having to stand around waiting for my ICE car to get filled up, I don't actually sit there and watch my EV get charged. 😄
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
07-11-2021, 08:36 PM
#90
07-12-2021, 11:45 AM
#91
Le Mans Master
07-12-2021, 11:51 AM
#92
Le Mans Master
It takes me 15 seconds to charge my EV: the total time it takes to pop the charge hatch and plug in. Unlike having to stand around waiting for my ICE car to get filled up, I don't actually sit there and watch my EV get charged. 😄
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
Electric motors are great. Batteries suck, and fuel cells suck worse.
Last edited by sstonebreaker; 07-12-2021 at 11:51 AM.
07-12-2021, 12:21 PM
#93
Le Mans Master
So to your time you need to add up ALL the time during a year that you drive to a gas station, wait in line, process payment etc. Total time per year? Vs. total time charging an EV. Most of the time it takes 5 seconds to plug in at home and 5 seconds to unplug. Unless you do frequent long distance driving your total time filling up an ICE will far exceed charging an EV. Should also consider the additional costs with an ICE. For July 4th drove 100 miles to Sacramento and parked in the parking structure in old town. Had free charging. So while we are watching fireworks our car is charging - for free and no time lost.
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Just because YOU didn't have to pay for it, doesn't mean it is FREE. Electricity comes from somewhere...and that somewhere incurs cost. EV owners think they're doing something good with their vehicle selection...it's laughable at best.
07-12-2021, 10:37 PM
#94
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I always thought an electric would have to be a second car due to road trips but I don't think you need an eight hour charge anymore. Tesla's have the supercharging stations in the car's database and if you are traveling on the interstate it's likely one is on your route and you may normally only need 45 min to an hour. Still would annoy me though.
07-13-2021, 07:26 AM
#95
I have no experience with lithium batteries, but do with satellite nickel-cadium batteries. NiCads like to be charged relatively slowly, at least at a slow enough rate that they do not start to warm due to ohmic heating. NiCads cool when proper recharged. Rapid discharge is to be greatly limited. High discharge currents cause large current densities at the plates with result in wearout erosion of the plates. Throughout their life, NiCads like to stay cool, a few degrees above 32 degrees F up to about 55 degrees F. This extends their lifetime.....and the main lifetime limiting factor is depth of discharge, DOD...........This I do know of lithium batteries, they too thrive for longivity by maintaining DOD between 20% and 80%. Note that if you have a Tesla that advertises a 300 mile range.....this apparently is the range resulting from charging to 100% and discharging to 0%. Keeping DOD within best longivity limits results in a 160 mile range. I feel pretty confident that operating the Tesla battery at maximum discharge rates i.e. drag racing, means plate errosion due to high discharge plate current densities is harmful to the battery lifetime.
Things that shorten EV battery life are keeping the charge too long at 0% or 100%, frequent deep discharge cycles, frequent supercharging, and exposure to too high or too low ambient temperatures.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ks-advice/amp/
A battery with a 300 mile range gets reduced to 240 miles if you adhere to charging to 80% to lengthen the life of the battery. If it’s cold weather, it can be reduced by another 50% leaving you with 120 miles. Add in some aging over 5 -6 years and your original 300 mile range could drop to below 100 miles.
There’s a lot of information withheld when companies advertise things like 0-60 times or fast charging or extended ranges. Faster charging, long ranges, and racing is possible but at the expense of battery life. EV warranties generally warranty the fact the battery will continue to propel the car, not guarantee a range.
Another risk of lithium is battery fires. Small imperfections in manufacturing can cause a thermal runaway event months or years later. The risk is lower the higher the cell quality, but even at 99.9% quality, the .1% adds up when you make billions of cells per year with EV’s using up most of them just for the occasional long trip.
07-16-2021, 08:55 AM
#96
It takes me 15 seconds to charge my EV: the total time it takes to pop the charge hatch and plug in. Unlike having to stand around waiting for my ICE car to get filled up, I don't actually sit there and watch my EV get charged. 😄
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
Also, people need to regard EVs like cell phones when it comes to energy use & refill. I use my phone, I plug it in, I use it some more. Simple and non-time consuming. It's not exactly planning a moon shot. If one constantly needs to plug the phone in when out of the house, then an EV is prob not a good idea.
07-17-2021, 04:53 PM
#97
07-17-2021, 05:24 PM
#98
Team Owner
I have a C3 and a C5 (purchased new in 1998) in my garage and have a deposit down on a new C8. Now I know I'm going to get a bunch of crap for saying this but I keep wondering if I am going to be sorry now that some electric cars are faster than our beloved Vettes and, am I buying into a dying technology.
Change my mind...this ought to be good.
Change my mind...this ought to be good.
Two totally different cars that are not really even comparible in my opinion. Yes, on the street and in most drag race scenarios most Tesla's will spank anything on the road, but having owned both a 650rwhp C5 and a Tesla Model 3 at the same time they served completely different purposes to me.
I'd say own both!
07-17-2021, 06:17 PM
#99
07-17-2021, 06:59 PM
#100
Team Owner
Fixed it for ya'
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/in...utomaker-says/
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https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/new...isk/index.html
About 174,000 vehicle fires were reported in the United States in 2015, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the National Fire Protection Association. Virtually all of those fires involved gasoline powered cars. That works out to about one every three minutes.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/in...utomaker-says/
https://www.abcactionnews.com/money/...wn-family-home
https://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/new...isk/index.html
About 174,000 vehicle fires were reported in the United States in 2015, the most recent year for which statistics are available from the National Fire Protection Association. Virtually all of those fires involved gasoline powered cars. That works out to about one every three minutes.